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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 14:53:16 GMT -5
okay: here are a couple questions abou demon possesion( i have been wondering about the concept for a loong time)
how does a demon posses? when does a demon posses? why does a demon posses?
where exactly did the doctrine of demon possesion come from? what happens when demons are cast out of a perso?
there are many more, but these are the main questions.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 16:38:32 GMT -5
43 "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he passes through waterless places seeking rest, but he finds none.
44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.
45 Then he goes and brings with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. So shall it be also with this evil generation."
Here is what happnes to man when his brain is cleaned and swept out and he doen't install Torah, and or he brings back into it any of the old smelly dog'mas, the last state of this man is worse than the first, because it is his choice this time, before it is societies doing.
Been there, done that! With the 'whole truth" there is no room for the unclean and his seven cohorts.
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 17:15:26 GMT -5
so do you believe it is a literal spirit possesion or a mental sickness
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 17:20:15 GMT -5
where is that in the Bible. I love the whole thing with demon possession and how christ cast them out. It seems so cool like that Emily Rose thing or whatever her name was
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 17:52:40 GMT -5
so do you believe it is a literal spirit possesion or a mental sickness John, I believe what Yeshua says, I don't have the inside track on how you identify, possession, but it's existance is real to me. Joerdin; Mt 12:43 Unclean spirit. De 32:17 They sacrificed to demons which were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come in of late, whom your fathers had never dreaded. Ps 106:37 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons; Everywhere in the NT, demons and demon possession. |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 18:02:21 GMT -5
okay. that makes sense. you believe in demon possession you just dont know the specifics.
but if the demon WAS a real spirit and it possesed your body, would this not threaten the idea that your body dies and thats it until the ressurection? i dont really unersstand what your definition of soul and spirit is, so i wouldnt know.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 18:15:12 GMT -5
okay. that makes sense. you believe in demon possession you just dont know the specifics. That's right. Soul = Breathing creature Dead body= spirit gone out from man/not breathing. Spirit = the breath of God/quickens the Lump of Clay which was the original body/returns to dust after death, spirit/breath of God goes back to God who gave it. No evil spirit can possess the mind of one who has the Word of God as it's doorway. |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 18:39:14 GMT -5
okay, then why is the spirit called the inner man in the new testement, epsecially romans. and why does ecc treat the spirit as if it was a different creature. i think the verse is ecc 12:14 or 14:12
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 20:09:27 GMT -5
see John why do you always have to make everything so difficult haha just kidding, yeah Pioneer I would also like to know
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 20:12:15 GMT -5
okay, then why is the spirit called the inner man in the new testement, epsecially romans. and why does ecc treat the spirit as if it was a different creature. i think the verse is ecc 12:14 or 14:12 The Spirit of God and the HS are the only spirit that matters, the rest are evil spirits. I did a word search "Spirit" and almost every one was Gods Spirit the HS, your spirit/breath with in and then demon spirits, so I don't know what you are alluding to. Lokk up spirit in Strongs/Greek and see where Immortal soul springs! Never in Hebrew! |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 20:16:51 GMT -5
but it IS in greek. the brit chashadic rabbis obviously believed in an immortal soul
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 20:26:25 GMT -5
but it IS in greek. the brit chashadic rabbis obviously believed in an immortal soul Give me a clue? Who were these, brit chashadic rabbis? Sure wasn't Sha'ul! There isn't an immortal soul in the bible. Period It comes from Greek phylosophy! Again Mt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.[/color] If God destroys both body and soul in hell, how can there be an immortal anything besides God? |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 20:29:01 GMT -5
i will give you a list of verses that sure SEEM to indicate the immortal soul. one of them is the one in ecclesiastes, which IS in hebrew.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 20:33:31 GMT -5
Soooo, teh brit chashadic rabbis must be really influential right if you pointed out the fact that they believe in an immortal soul. So Pioneer regarding to your definition of Spirit it joins G-d after death right. Is that what you believe is like heaven, or do you not believe in heaven? Sorry, if m question sounds stupid i'll modify it later becasue i just found myself unexceptionally interrupted by rude heifers
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 20:33:33 GMT -5
i will give you a list of verses that sure SEEM to indicate the immortal soul. one of them is the one in ecclesiastes, which IS in hebrew. Show me! Ec 3:21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down to the earth? Ec 7:8 Better is the end of a thing than its beginning; and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. Ec 8:8 No man has power to retain the spirit, or authority over the day of death; there is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it. Ec 11:5 As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything. Ec 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Not in there. |
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 20:38:43 GMT -5
Soooo, teh brit chashadic rabbis must be really influential right if you pointed out the fact that they believe in an immortal soul. So Pioneer regarding to your definition of Spirit it joins G-d after death right. Is that what you believe is like heaven, or do you not believe in heaven? Sorry, if m question sounds stupid i'll modify it later becasue i just found myself unexceptionally interrupted by rude heifers No, Joerdin, not a bad question and no I do not think we go to heaven when we die, the spirit going back to God is as close as we get to heaven and btw, the evil folks spirits go there also, no designation of just good spirits. |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 20:52:56 GMT -5
so what does it mean when it says the spirit returns to the creator?
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 20:55:50 GMT -5
I like that. Well, I can't believe it just because I like it you know?! haha. I hav eno idea why I said haha. That sounds to me like the Nirvana beliefs in Hinduism. without the reincarnations lol. Is it wierd, or bad to like or be interested in demons? Not obsessed or anything but idk how to explain it, ha I'm trying to get back on subject
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 21:04:02 GMT -5
you can be interested in demons, but i wouldnt perform pagan rites to try to rid yourself from them *cough* *cough*
that is obsession
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 21:06:03 GMT -5
shut up!! I was kidding and you know what remember that one time with the belt that had a smiley face on it "NASTY LADY, i'M GOING TO CAST THE DEMONS OUT OF YOU!!" so humph!!  lol how rude that was outside of the forum |
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