demon possession

[John]

get back to the subject.

[Never Looking Back]

Apr 16, 2009 17:15:26 GMT -5 John said:

so do you believe it is a literal spirit possesion or a mental sickness

I believe that in the biblical accounts, this is literal spirit possession.

I do know that demons can possess people. I've read modern accounts of this happening. So I think that the Bible is very literal about this subject.

[John]

interesting...
personally, i was always taught that the spirit is like a ghost in that it has a form. it also is your personallity- your feelings, your knoweledge. and i was taught that the body could be possesed by more than one soul- demons.

i was also taught that fallen angels and demons were not the same.

[pioneer]

Apr 16, 2009 22:30:35 GMT -5 John said:

interesting...
personally, i was always taught that the spirit is like a ghost in that it has a form. it also is your personallity- your feelings, your knoweledge. and i was taught that the body could be possesed by more than one soul- demons.

i was also taught that fallen angels and demons were not the same.

And you thought you were the Lone Ranger!
Well, you are among many, most all Americans are taught that.
Look at ghost in the Tanack, breathed his last breath/gave up the ghost. gava to expire, perish, die.
Now go to the NT, and look at all the different ghosts, ghost who walk on water and holy moly a Holy Ghost, also gave up the ghost.
One body being possessed by more than one, yes, how about the Gaderine demoniac, "who are you", "my name is Legion" and they came out of him. (my paraphrase)

[John]

One body being possessed by more than one, yes, how about the Gaderine demoniac, "who are you", "my name is Legion" and they came out of him. (my paraphrase)

so you dont believe in what i said- or you do? i dont know your posirion.

and honestly, the spirits are spoken of as if they were seperate entities, like the christian perception of the spirit. not just a mental problem.

[anochria]

elsewhere john wrote:

as for demons, any thing that rebels against God is dead.

Not immediately.

God would not just let demons live on and not send them to hell if he told humans that if they rebel they ar going to hell. sincei believe that all rebellious humans are going to sh'ol, than i think that all former rebellious humans are going to sh'ol, the belly of the earth, as well.

Why did the demons Jesus cast out beg not to be sent into the pit then?

but Jesus cast out demons didnt he? Jesus did do "exorcisms, but isee those as healings Jesus taught within the mindset that the people had. he often used a persons will power to heal them (ie, medically if you believe something, your body will react to it). but a person who believed that they had a demon would never be healed if you told them that they didnt have a demon. so whether Yeshua believed in demons or not, he "cast out demons" when he healed a psychological disease. john meier explains that no matter how new or revolutionary a teachers teachings may be, he still has to find a way to communicate them within the constraints of the language and culture that he is teaching. Paul understood this for sure since he used Torah to teach the jews, and pagan poems and such to teach the pagans... how much more would Yeshua bring this principle into practice?

so demons were psychological problems like they are now, and Yeshua simply healed a person within these cultural constraints.

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What did Jesus cast into the pigs, then?

And how did the demon possessed man have preternatural knowledge of who Jesus was?

[John]

good questions. since it is 1 01 here and i am going to synagogue in the morning, i am going to have to answer later lol.

but GREAT questions.

shalom