hebrew grammar

[John]

i am on the road of learning hebrew rammar. i would like to know if anyone here knows hebrew fluently, and if not you can still contribute to the discussion. you can

1. put hebrew words (uninflected) to enhance others hebrew vocabulary.

2. put hebrew laws of grammar

2. put different dialectic differences (ie, ashkenaz, shapardhi, etc)

3. put hebraic grammatical history.

4. anything really to do with enhancing a pesons understanding of hebrew grammar.

note: make sure your vocabulary words are UNINFLECTED

but please do include the laws of inflection if you can.

also, correct someone if their translation of a word is wrong, etc.

melekh- king; gadol-big; yom-day; ha- the; mashiach-messiah; abba-father; rabbi- teacher; torah-teachings; cohen- preist; shamash-servent; toledot- generation;

i will have more later

[Jonatan]

Oh, how I'd like to enhance it, even for all on this forum. You know, as self-learner of Hebrew I also want to teach Hebrew for christians so that they may read from original texts and for communication with B'nei Yisrael (Sons of Israel)

I can fill on some words I know at the spot right know such as:

גדול gadol - big
קטנ katan - small
קדוש kadosh - holy
אלהים Elohim - God, but also judges
ערב erev - evening
בקר boker - morning
לילה laylah - night
ארץ eretz - earth
מים mayim - water(s) - ending suffix 'im' indicates plural
שמים shamayim - heaven(s) like 'mayim' above

I need more time for it, and yeah download this:
www.davar3.net/files/other/ivrit_bkalut-en.pdf

Shalom aleichem (Peace be to you) for now!

[John]

[how did you get the hebrew text on there?]

[Jonatan]

easily, just open your Character Map in zour computer. In case of classic Windows 98 or XP you may find In Start Button - then PROGRAMS - ACCESORIES - SYSTEM TOOLS - CHARACTER MAP. In case of Windows Vista, I do not know. Just find the Character Map.
In Character Map, there are all Unicode letters of all languages of the world that are supported by computer. So there you can find not only Latin character set, but also Hebrew, Arabic, Greek set, etc.
From it you just copy it and paste it here.

Shalom

[John]

oh... okay. thank you.

anyone know the excat history of the nikkud?

[Jeordin]

hahaha i just noticed you deleted my post.. or I didn't post it after all I forgot
but I feel the nikkud is just unneccessary in todays society, except in Africa

[John]

lolololololololololololololololol...... the nikkud.... lololol.... are..lolol...jewish......lolol.....vowel points

oh YHVH please help her. lolol. i am sorry jeordin, but the way it was typed so seriously and.....lol..i just cant take it.

my chair is probably going to break

[Jeordin]

John, you should read Eccl. 7:4-8 ;D

[pioneer]

Apr 16, 2009 21:10:23 GMT -5 Jeordin said:

leave me alone hmph, and because I had to reply to this I am now grounded from the computer for like a week. I hope the chair breaks and you do fall on your butt. Meany

LOL
Now that was funny.

Not nice, but funny.

[John]

lolol...

why does your mother not like you on my forum?

[Jeordin]

Ummm, kinda sorta not but it's ok. She'll live she needs to grow in her own faith. Yeah that wasn't that nice but John's not a meany head to you lol

[John]

John, you should read Eccl. 7:4-8

so am i the wise man or the fool? lol

[Jonatan]

I advice you rather to turn back to the thread. Nikkuds - if anyone doesn't know - are the little punctuation marks in, under and above the hebrew characters. These (in hebrew) נקודות nikkudoth have been added to old hebrew allegedly in first half on 1st millenium AD. Nikkudoth are practicaly vowels in hebrew, because the main characters from Aleph (א) to Taw (ת) - that are 22 characters, are only CONSONANTS (except of Aleph (א), Ayin (ע) - these are without sound - only some vowel and Yod (י), which is half-consonant).

one point under the character is called חירק קטן hhireq qatan ("q" is the most hard "k" as possible in hebrew) and is read as short "i"

two points as ":" but aligned horinzontally under the character is called צרה tsere is read as long "e"

three points under the character is shape of grapes is called סגול segol (btw. it means grapes also), it's read as short "e"

one flat horizontal comma under the character is called פתח patach, (it means opening in hebrew) and it's read as short "a"

patach in combination with one point under it (or sometimes we can see it as shape "T" under the character), is קמץ qamets and is read either as long "a" or in some cases as short "o"

one point above the character, mainly above Waw (ו) is called חלם hholem, it's read as long "o".

one point in center of the character may be dagesh, it means duplication of the consonant, e.g. if dagesh is on Shin (ש), then we read not only single "sh", but duplicated "shsh".
If one point in the center is on waw, in most times it's שורק shureq (it means whistling) and it's read as long "u".

This system of Niqqudoth did not exist in times of OT nor in Yeshua's times, so all Hebrews had to understand the words without niqqudoth, just in raw shape. This is what we see now on computer, even in this forum, I do not use niqqudoth here, cos it would be too small and unimportant. Each word has specific combination of hebrew characters (from right to left, certainly). For example, word נביא /navi/ means "prophet" - and the thing extremely important is to keep the character order and combination. So we read from right to left: nun - beyth - yod - aleph (נ - ב - י - א). Why the second from right to left is beyth? Because it can have also hard and soft form. In this case, it is soft form, veyth (pronounce "v").
Hebrew is very interesting. If you leave just one Yod, it changes meaning (niqquds are not that important as the main letters). No marvel that Yeshua said:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot(which is hebrew yod) or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
(Matthew 5:18)

Shalom

[John]

and a title is a 'crown' put over a few letters of the hebrew alphabet that has a special messianic prophecy... look under articles in hebrew4christians.com to see more on this. he has some great stuff on the hebrew alphabet.

[Jeordin]

wow, that seems difficult
well, to me
hmmm, what are the symbols for 'in my veins'

[Jonatan]

Apr 20, 2009 14:43:12 GMT -5 John said:

and a title is a 'crown' put over a few letters of the hebrew alphabet that has a special messianic prophecy... look under articles in hebrew4christians.com to see more on this. he has some great stuff on the hebrew alphabet.

For example this?

www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/Bet/bet.html

copied and pasted from hebrew4christians

Bet and the Names of God
Bet is used with several Names and Titles of God, including Borei Israel (creator of Israel), but is primarily associated with the Son of God בן אלהים (ben elohim). Interestingly, if we combine the name for father אב (av) with the word for son בן (ben), we have the word אבן (even) meaning stone. Even Ma'asu is the "Rejected Stone" and pictures the LORD Yeshua as the One rejected by Israel during His first advent.

Bet is a picture of the Son of God
The word for "create" in Hebrew is ברא (bara), and the word for son is בר (bar). If we separate the letters within the word for bara, we will have: בר א (bar Aleph), which points to the Son of the Father (Aleph). Thus we have:
"In the beginning the Son of Aleph..."

[pioneer]

Apr 21, 2009 8:44:26 GMT -5 Jonatan said:

Bet is a picture of the Son of God
The word for "create" in Hebrew is ברא (bara), and the word for son is בר (bar). If we separate the letters within the word for bara, we will have: בר א (bar Aleph), which points to the Son of the Father (Aleph). Thus we have:
"In the beginning the Son of Aleph..."

Yes and if we leave the (bara) alone we have "Begining, created aleph tav." Aleph tav is the alphabet, required to speak, Y H V H created the Torah and spoke it and the universe was, this Torah was sent twice into the world, once at Sinai and then at Bet Lechem, first written on stone the second written on the heart of the only begotten son of God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us, the bread of life at the house of bread.

[John]

it is interesting that in bereshet there is a hidden reference also to the mashiach as the word. rabbi Akiva showed this.

ba this is a prefix added as an inflection of the root word-
rosh hebrew for head. it is symbolizing the beggining.
et this is actually an uneeded inflectiopn, barely ever used even in ancient hebrew. R Akiva noticed that when the angel of the lord or something divine.

this 'et' is made of two letters- the alef and the tav. later this was identified as an abbreviation of the alfabet- the alf-tav. Yeshua is the alef-tav as he says himself in revelation.


so Yeshua was the first creation of the world by the creator. in the begining YHVH created the alef-tav... Yeshua is also identified as Elohim of genesis- and so Yeshua created the worlds. this was known by the ancient hebrews. they influenced the egyptian religion as well- the egyptian and sumerian and hindu,etc religions say that when the creator appeared out of nothing, he created a deity (mistaken as a deity) who made the world. so there must be something to it if it is in all these religions. i think all religions are related bc most flase religions arose from the misunderstandings of who fallen angels were, as well as misunderstandings from the personal revelations of YHVH to some- like buddha. buddha was a prophet, who recieved revelation from YHVH and taught it. many of his words are misunderstood and taught through many misunderstandings.

ancient native american legends are identical to some of the stories of the bible- the closest story involving the tower of babel. they i think were the same story originally taught, but later misunderstood as taking place in the americas, etc.

i can go on and on.

i really cannot explain it so it doesnt sound like a heresy until you understand the whole of my theology, which i will make a thread on later.

[pioneer]

The word, not Yeshua, the first created thing, Yeshua is the only begotten son of God, who was the word in the beginning. Let the twister begin, around and around it goes! Had no beginning nor no end, Yeshua had a beginning and an end and now is timeless, Oh, My!

[John]

logo, aleph-tav, etc are titles of Yeshua who was created. his preexistance was defined as the word, but he is refered to as Yeshua. just as president reagan was not the president at one point in his life, but he could be refered to as president before he was elected as president in a biography, so i refer to Yeshua as Yeshua in his preincarnate form.