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Post by pioneer on Apr 21, 2009 17:38:21 GMT -5
logo, aleph-tav, etc are titles of Yeshua who was created. his preexistance was defined as the word, but he is refered to as Yeshua. just as president reagan was not the president at one point in his life, but he could be refered to as president before he was elected as president in a biography, so i refer to Yeshua as Yeshua in his preincarnate form. Precepts of men. You and I can say alot of things, but saying is not making so, only if we are God, when he says "it is". Yeshua only preexisted in the mind of God, when Y H V H spoke he spoke Torah and all things were! The Torah is the word of God, when the word was made flesh, Yeshua/God's salvation came into the world, Yeshua is the "Living Torah". BTW is a biography before or after an event? After the Gipper was president, we can "truthfully" say President Reagan. LOL |
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Post by John on Apr 21, 2009 18:11:51 GMT -5
yeshua did live preincarnately, seprerate from the creator however.
a biography is written after the man becomes the president, and yet inside the biography, the person can be called president the whole way through, even though in the biography the person has not become the president yet. i am comparing this to yeshua.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 21, 2009 19:07:29 GMT -5
yeshua did live preincarnately, seprerate from the creator however. a biography is written after the man becomes the president, and yet inside the biography, the person can be called president the whole way through, even though in the biography the person has not become the president yet. i am comparing this to yeshua. This I gotta see! Is it where Y H V H says I am one? Is it when He says he is your yeshuah? Ex 14:13 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the yeshuah of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. Salvation/yeshuah belongs to the Lord. Isa 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I'll be waiting,but remember I am old, I may not last 'till hell freezes over.' |
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Post by John on Apr 22, 2009 17:38:22 GMT -5
Yeshua is mentioned by the OT prophets as a preaist of heaven in linen, and also as the Angel of the Lord in Torah and Joshua, Judges
shalom- john
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Post by pioneer on Apr 22, 2009 19:08:03 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Messiah, not one mention of Yeshua! Except the yeshuah of God.
OBTW, another slip up of the absentminded God, forgot he made a commandment not to create an image of anything in earth as your God, and sends himself so we can make a lifelike image of Constantine. Who wodda thunk?
So much for being sent in Hashem of Y H V H ----!
Another BTW, why was he not named Emmanuel? Clearly the instructions from the Angel.
2,000 yrs of RT and you can't shake it. Sorry about that.
Shalom
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Post by Jonatan on Apr 23, 2009 9:55:33 GMT -5
it is interesting that in bereshet there is a hidden reference also to the mashiach as the word. rabbi Akiva showed this. ba this is a prefix added as an inflection of the root word- rosh hebrew for head. it is symbolizing the beggining. et this is actually an uneeded inflectiopn, barely ever used even in ancient hebrew. R Akiva noticed that when the angel of the lord or something divine. this 'et' is made of two letters- the alef and the tav. later this was identified as an abbreviation of the alfabet- the alf-tav. Yeshua is the alef-tav as he says himself in revelation. so Yeshua was the first creation of the world by the creator. in the begining YHVH created the alef-tav... Yeshua is also identified as Elohim of genesis- and so Yeshua created the worlds. this was known by the ancient hebrews. they influenced the egyptian religion as well- the egyptian and sumerian and hindu,etc religions say that when the creator appeared out of nothing, he created a deity (mistaken as a deity) who made the world. so there must be something to it if it is in all these religions. i think all religions are related bc most flase religions arose from the misunderstandings of who fallen angels were, as well as misunderstandings from the personal revelations of YHVH to some- like buddha. buddha was a prophet, who recieved revelation from YHVH and taught it. many of his words are misunderstood and taught through many misunderstandings. ancient native american legends are identical to some of the stories of the bible- the closest story involving the tower of babel. they i think were the same story originally taught, but later misunderstood as taking place in the americas, etc. i can go on and on. i really cannot explain it so it doesnt sound like a heresy until you understand the whole of my theology, which i will make a thread on later. You're right John, correct in the statements that all the religions outside Israel in times BC are the false religions - as you have said, inspired by fallen angels. Well, do you think Buddha was taught by YHVH? Well, I don't know - a little sceptical I am about that. It was said that truth was not given outside Israel and nations were not living under Kingdom of God, cos they didn't know true God, YHVH, the God of Israel. But there were a lot of imitations - Satan knows very well how to imitate the works of YHVH. I can remember in MTF, on the thread of Antichrist in Greek we were discussing if there are duality principles or tendencies during the history in the Bible or not. You thought that within christianity it's only work of Zoroastrianism. Well, but I can tell you that as long as Satan - the first rebel against God exists, the duality tendencies appear in Bible. Satan is imitator of YHVH - and thus all his works - he can't invent anything new. I'd like to start a new thread - about "Satan is imitator of God" Shalom |
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Post by Jonatan on May 12, 2009 9:05:35 GMT -5
I'd like to continue in hebrew grammar thread. As I have found out, by magnifying the font, it shall not be difficult to post neqqudoth in the forum as well.
Aleph א is without sound.
אַ - this is 'Aleph' with Patach (ַ) - short 'a'
אָ - this is 'Aleph' with Qamets (ָ) - long 'a' but can be sometimes short 'o'
אֶ - this is 'Aleph' with Segol (ֶ) - short 'e'
אֵ - this is 'Aleph' with Tsere (ֵ) - long 'e'
אִ - this is 'Aleph' with Chireq Qatan (ִ) - short 'i'
אֹ - this is 'Aleph' with Cholem (ֹ) - long 'o'
וּ - this is 'Wav' with Shureq (ּ) - long 'u'
אֻ - this is 'Wav' with Quibbuts (ֻ) - short 'u'
Well, I'd like to invite also a good hebrew linguist, having knowledge of ancient and modern hebrew, knowing the development of the hebrew language. If anyone know someone, try to persuade him/her to post into this forum.
Shin-lamed-wav(cholem)-mem(final) - what's that? guess!
Sh-l-w-m!
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