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Post by John on Apr 12, 2009 11:08:04 GMT -5
So... it is easter. i thought that it would be a good time to start this thread.
what do you guys think of the hollidays Christmas easter adn halloween? do you agree with the pagan roots theory?
post away... this thread is a litttle broad so, whatever.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 12, 2009 12:10:26 GMT -5
In Mrs.Wilson, my Robotics teacher for everyone else, we did this scavenger hunt thing and i found out how those in Greece(I hope I remembered that correctly) dyed their eggs crimson to represent the blood of christ. I wanted to do that. what does everyone here think about that. Is there something wrong or hypocritical or anything with that. And how does Christ and fertility go together.
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2009 12:57:10 GMT -5
mrs wilson is AWESOME>
but i do agree with the pagan roots theory. the feasts are all based off of pagan rituals.
i dont think that people who dont know this will be hald accountable, but if you do and fell convicted by the HS to stop than you better stop celebrating them.
i personally think we need to celebrate Yeshuas death on passover and his ressurection on the feast of unleavend bread. if you are going to celebrate it do it biblically.
then again however, chanukkah is undeniably holy and a feast that was made by the jews-- in other words it is not biblically mentioned.
so i dont think it would be wrong to celebrate Yeshua death and ressurection in a holy way, and make a new feast altogether.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 12, 2009 13:29:38 GMT -5
The name of another god on your lips "Wash your mouth out!" The goddess turned a bird into a rabbit, therefore bunny eggs. PAGAN. Act 12:4 (28 times paskah appears in NT, one time it is translated that (word), the rest Passover! Got a clue? Christmas is just a later version of pagan culture, RCC to get pagans into their circles marry the birth narative into Mithra Culture. www.toolong.comLike Marti Grais, a RCC fun day before "All Saints Day" "All Hallows Eve" halloween. Replacement Theology= Christianity. Precepts of men. Torah for me, the Moedim! |
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 12, 2009 17:47:11 GMT -5
Ha, I love Mrs. wilson (at times,I'm her favorite)
Ummm, yeah I have absolutely no idea what either one of you is talking about so i'm about to look up the pagan theory.
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2009 20:19:14 GMT -5
all of christmas and easter and halloween traditions derive from pagan roots. the message behind the rituals and symbols have changed, but they have been fitted to the pagan story the symbols are derived from... in other words, you are basically worshiping a pagan god, you are just naming it Yeshua.
my thesis is that we can celebrate the birth and ressurection of Yeshua, and we probably should, but we should do it in a holy way that has no roots in paganism.
but i cannot judge those who know nothing of the pagan roots. they probably wont be held accountable to that. and unless the Ruach HaKodesh instructs them not to celebrate the feasat, they shouldnt be made to.
i personally will celebrate christmas as longas i live undera family that does. if, as an adult i am invited to a christmas party, i will go and ccelebrate it according to that houses traditions, as long as it does not include moral sin. but fellowship always overrules ritual sin. (ie, kashrut, mikvah, feast celebration).
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Post by pioneer on Apr 12, 2009 21:35:18 GMT -5
We burned all the things that apply to replacement theology. There is no dignity in a deception.
I wont darken the doors of a church on a moedim.
Funerals a weddings of my Christian friends, then I'll open their doors.
Shalom
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2009 12:33:45 GMT -5
what is your reasoning behind this pioneer?
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Post by pioneer on Apr 13, 2009 13:38:27 GMT -5
what is your reasoning behind this pioneer? Do not be unequally yoked. What has light to do with darkness. Do you think that you will change a dyed in the wool Christian he should change? Dream on dreamer! Case in point NLB, even if it kills her, "thats my belief and I'll believe it even if there is no profit." For crying outloud! That's just plum dumb. If it's not in the real bible, it's not for me.(your title this thread not in there) 60's song, I washed my hands in muddy water, i washed my hands, but they wouldn't come clean. Why do you suppose the Christian translators used the word iniquity? Could it be they didn't want to look upon the word Lawlessness? Disguise the words and you wont be practicing Lawlessness, but iniquity, sounds less harsh, iniquity wasn't nailed to his cross. LOL |
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2009 13:59:23 GMT -5
calm down... i see your reasoning but you have got to understand that you do the same thing with the opposite teachings. You are just as narrowminded.
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Post by Never Looking Back on Apr 13, 2009 19:24:10 GMT -5
what is your reasoning behind this pioneer? Do not be unequally yoked. What has light to do with darkness. Do you think that you will change a dyed in the wool Christian he should change? Dream on dreamer! Case in point NLB, even if it kills her, "thats my belief and I'll believe it even if there is no profit." For crying outloud! That's just plum dumb. If it's not in the real bible, it's not for me.(your title this thread not in there) 60's song, I washed my hands in muddy water, i washed my hands, but they wouldn't come clean. Why do you suppose the Christian translators used the word iniquity? Could it be they didn't want to look upon the word Lawlessness? Disguise the words and you wont be practicing Lawlessness, but iniquity, sounds less harsh, iniquity wasn't nailed to his cross. LOL Thanks for calling me dumb. That was VERY loving of you. |
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Post by pioneer on Apr 13, 2009 19:25:27 GMT -5
calm down... i see your reasoning but you have got to understand that you do the same thing with the opposite teachings. You are just as narrowminded. Yeah Right! Biblical! Todah rabah |
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Post by pioneer on Apr 13, 2009 19:28:41 GMT -5
Do not be unequally yoked. What has light to do with darkness. Do you think that you will change a dyed in the wool Christian he should change? Dream on dreamer! Case in point NLB, even if it kills her, "thats my belief and I'll believe it even if there is no profit." For crying outloud! That's just plum dumb. If it's not in the real bible, it's not for me.(your title this thread not in there) 60's song, I washed my hands in muddy water, i washed my hands, but they wouldn't come clean. Why do you suppose the Christian translators used the word iniquity? Could it be they didn't want to look upon the word Lawlessness? Disguise the words and you wont be practicing Lawlessness, but iniquity, sounds less harsh, iniquity wasn't nailed to his cross. LOL Thanks for calling me dumb. That was VERY loving of you. Without a doubt, you're welcome. Taking a comment about your actions, personal. Huh? |
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Post by John on Apr 13, 2009 19:45:11 GMT -5
pioneer, you are taking things just as personally- at least, that is what your exclamation points are testafying, lol.
really, both of you need to calm down. if every discussion you two are going to have is going to end in fight, than why dont you just not talk to each other until both of you get mature enough to settle down and have a non-dramatic converstaion?!
lol. i cant help but laugh at the situation.
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Post by Jonatan on Apr 14, 2009 5:59:30 GMT -5
So... it is easter. i thought that it would be a good time to start this thread. what do you guys think of the hollidays Christmas easter adn halloween? do you agree with the pagan roots theory? post away... this thread is a litttle broad so, whatever. Agree? Absolutely! Nothing more than a paganism in a "christianized" look. Watch only inside! Watch the spirit, not the look! Definition of false christianity as RCC is that everything is (at least I think most things are) ecumenically taken from paganism and then covered in "christian" robe. Image, only image! But spiritual people can see inside and condemn it. I wonder what and how people could link Easter or Halloween with culture of God's kingdom. How is this christian?!!! LOL! I know that if there are any feasts we should celebrate as christians, then only Jewish feasts which are also christian feasts - Pesach, Shabbat, Chanukka, Sukkot, Yom Kippur, Purim, Omer Reshit, Shavuot, etc. These are truly biblical feasts. Find it in Books of Moses. Easter, Halloween, Christmas are not biblical! I assume one opinion - Christian feasts DO NOT EXIST! Feasts are either Jewish - biblical or heathen. If someone wants to have Christian feasts, he/she has to have biblical Jewish feasts. So for us = either Jewish feasts or none. |
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 14, 2009 10:56:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, are there books I could read up on about this. Other than the Bible lol that give really detailed information a christian teenager can understand. Meaning someone who is not John/goes to Jewish school and starts learning about the Torah at the age of 5 and grows up with a family who celebrates Jewish feasts. lol all I've grown up with is holidays inherited from paganism. to be honest I don't really see anything wrong with pagans. I wouldn't worship as they do but I'm comfortable enough with them that I would marry one if the oppurtunity presented itself. Ohh gahh the responses if there are any.
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Post by John on Apr 14, 2009 12:41:33 GMT -5
that is the problem jeordin--- you are desensitized to the sinfullness of their actions.
we are not to be unequally yoked. meaning we are not to be married to people that are a diferent religion, or we are not to go out and do missionary work with someone who is on a different spiritual level than us, etc.
we can talk to pagans about our religion, but we are not to create such strong bonds a marriage with them.... some people even say theat haveing anytthing more than an aqcuaintanceship witht them would be considered being unequally yoked.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 14, 2009 12:55:46 GMT -5
desensitized, you and your big words. I'm sorry i just don't agree with that. Well, it has swayed my opinion anyways. gosh anyways, I knew that oppurtunity wasn't going to present itself. Still like I said I see nothing wrong with marrying one outside of your own religion, it might not be smart but ergghh, it just seems racist to me. were Gentiles and Jews not allowed to marry. i'm pretty sure that answer's gonna be a no.  hmph I don't like where this has gone change the subject lol |
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Post by John on Apr 14, 2009 13:11:17 GMT -5
not racist- prujudice. but i got your point.
a jew could only marry a gentile if they became a prosylite. but this was ordered from misunderstanding. getntiles can marry jews. it is not wrong. but both of their religions have to be the same. the have to be believers.
but you have to be careful about the unequally yoked thing simply because it can be taken out of context.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 14, 2009 13:14:33 GMT -5
uhhh, nope i meant racist. sometimes I use the wrong word when I'm joking. so yeah what about those christian pagans. Just kidding
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hmph I don't like where this has gone change the subject lol