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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 11:22:32 GMT -5
jeordin- what about ego? surely you are not implying what i think you are.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 17:16:59 GMT -5
ummm haha...
noooooooooooooo
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 18:11:22 GMT -5
what makes you think i have an ego? i know that is what you meant. or i think i do.
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 20:11:37 GMT -5
Oh well, I believe everyone has an ego. some just have... "higher" egos than others. That's all  |
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 20:17:21 GMT -5
why do you think i have a 'higher' one?
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 16, 2009 20:25:02 GMT -5
Oh.. you might act like it sometimes, but you can be a real humble sweetie other times. Anyways let's not go into that please
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Post by pioneer on Apr 16, 2009 21:27:57 GMT -5
Would you guys like to have $20. to go to the movies and hash this out? LOL
Or maybe the Chatroom.
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2009 22:28:31 GMT -5
that is why i wasnt replying to anything more. we were getting off topic,.
lol to pioneer
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 17, 2009 11:03:54 GMT -5
sorry that was my fault, I'll quit
but I might have to stop replying to what John says because, well you know how he is.
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Post by Never Looking Back on Apr 17, 2009 18:30:12 GMT -5
Depends on what translation you use. In the NIV Coloassians 2:9 reads like this: COL 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form In the NASB it is this: 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, I don't know the difference between Hebrew and Greek meanings of divine. But the NT was written in Greek. I'm guessing from your post that you grew up in the Roman Catholic Church? You talked about seeing paintings of Jesus on the church walls and thinking He was European or American. You also talked about having a conversion experience -- this is what evangelicals mean when we talk about being born again. You talked about falling to your knees and turning back towards God. This is the message that evangelicals preach. Us humans are not the judge of another person's salvation. The Jews that I know that have become Christian have a true passion for the Messiah. They love Him, and I would never question whether or not they see His glory. |
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Post by John on Apr 17, 2009 18:53:27 GMT -5
Yeshua is the perfect manifestation of the sh'kinah (glory of YHVH). but that agin, does not mean that he is YHVH himself.
i just realized something however. Yeshua can be compared as this: Yeshua, the holy spirit, and the 7 spirits of YHVH are all personifications of 9/10 sefirot. the 10th one is YHVH himslelf.
this would explain how the words of the apostles could easily be mixed up, and misunderstood as saying that Yeshua and the Ruach Hakodesh was YHVH.
also, to say that Yeshua is YHVH is false. but Yeshua IS elohim, the person who created the universe in genesis... this meaning of elohim was debated by rabbis for a while and for the apostles to say that they have an answer for it would be a bold claim, and surely they would publicise it.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 17, 2009 18:55:45 GMT -5
Depends on what translation you use. In the NIV Coloassians 2:9 reads like this: COL 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form In the NASB it is this: 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, I don't know the difference between Hebrew and Greek meanings of divine. But the NT was written in Greek. I'm guessing from your post that you grew up in the Roman Catholic Church? You talked about seeing paintings of Jesus on the church walls and thinking He was European or American. You also talked about having a conversion experience -- this is what evangelicals mean when we talk about being born again. You talked about falling to your knees and turning back towards God. This is the message that evangelicals preach. Us humans are not the judge of another person's salvation. The Jews that I know that have become Christian have a true passion for the Messiah. They love Him, and I would never question whether or not they see His glory. No I do not judge anothers salvation. Salvation is so easy anyone 13 YO can call upon the name of the Lord. I say "I doubt a Christian Jew sees the glory of Messiah." Never said he is not saved. As I have said repeatedly, if it is not God breathed, Torah, or Yeshua speaking in the NT it is not the word of God! Inspired in the original, but man and satan have a habit of making words fit their agenda. Align it with Torah and I'll settle down. Look divine up in Strongs, first in Hebrew then in Greek. Hebrew Nacash, almost the same word for satan ( observe signs to conger) qasam about the same (practice divination) Greek the Godhead a world apart. Got to go, see you guys at the end of the Sabbath. Shabbat Shalom |
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Post by John on Apr 17, 2009 19:08:26 GMT -5
godhead is not referred to only to refer to many gods. most of the time it only refers to the position of god himself. so the word godhead can mean just one god, YHVH.
shabbat shalom
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Post by Never Looking Back on Apr 17, 2009 20:29:55 GMT -5
No I do not judge anothers salvation. Salvation is so easy anyone 13 YO can call upon the name of the Lord. I say "I doubt a Christian Jew sees the glory of Messiah." Never said he is not saved. As I have said repeatedly, if it is not God breathed, Torah, or Yeshua speaking in the NT it is not the word of God! Inspired in the original, but man and satan have a habit of making words fit their agenda. Align it with Torah and I'll settle down. Look divine up in Strongs, first in Hebrew then in Greek. Hebrew Nacash, almost the same word for satan ( observe signs to conger) qasam about the same (practice divination) Greek the Godhead a world apart. Got to go, see you guys at the end of the Sabbath. Shabbat Shalom Oh...okay, now I see what you mean by two definitions of the word "divine." Actually, the same is true in English. We have two different definitions for a word spelled "divine." I wasn't thinking of the other definition because the context in which we were speaking about the word "divine" made only one of the definitions make sense. When using the definition of divine as a verb, it means something different than when it is used as a noun. To divine something would mean to practice divination. That would be the Hebrew meaning that you were speaking of. When we use it as a noun or adjetive, such as "the divine" we are talking about something completely different. We are talking about God. This is what you said the Greek definition is. In English, these are two different words, though they are spelled the same way. They have completely different meanings and are used differently in a sentence. |
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