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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 13:29:51 GMT -5
Here is a picture of the brain of man when God dumps the garbage, giving the new creature a clean slate, totally forgiven of all past sins.
43 "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he passes through waterless places seeking rest, but he finds none.
44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.
45 Then he goes and brings with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. So shall it be also with this evil generation."
This new mind, cleaned and put in order. The wise man will go to the Word of God/Torah and fill this place with Truth. He will diligently guard against dragging into this new space any of the sin/leaven that ruined the old dwelling.
Each of us at some point, realized we had sinned and gone astray, we began a search for truth, the Bible was my source, I realized I was going in the wrong direction, I repented/Teshuvah/turned back to God. Yeshua admonished me that I was forgiven, go and sin no more.
The man who turns back, away from God at this point, is like the foolish man who built his house on the sand.
Job 38:4 ¶ "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
Mt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mt 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Mt 22:29 But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 13:59:13 GMT -5
so you think they are spirits or just thoughts and sins?
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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 14:51:36 GMT -5
so you think they are spirits or just thoughts and sins? Absolutely there are spirits and demons. Yeshua wasn't just speaking because he loved hearing his own voice. It was for effect. He is the 'word' you know. |
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 16:10:51 GMT -5
so if they are spirits, are not spirits immortal? other wise, why would YHVH suffer an unrighteous soul to live, only to posses the ones he loves? (man)
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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 17:27:16 GMT -5
so if they are spirits, are not spirits immortal? other wise, why would YHVH suffer an unrighteous soul to live, only to posses the ones he loves? (man) Mixing terms here. spirits are like the wind, they are not a soul/living creature. Everything that was created He created, they went bad, God has allowed them to be until the end, His purpose hasn't been revealed to me, so I don't know the whys and wherefores. |
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 20:24:51 GMT -5
i dont understand... could you go more indepth. sorry, its just that my mind has a hard time understanding simplifications of things. i have to undrstand it from (a) multiple different levels of(b) a really deep level. it s a blessing and a curse
shalom- john
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Post by pioneer on Apr 29, 2009 0:11:43 GMT -5
i dont understand... could you go more indepth. sorry, its just that my mind has a hard time understanding simplifications of things. i have to undrstand it from (a) multiple different levels of(b) a really deep level. it s a blessing and a curse shalom- john Lets take a look at one such event, Sam Peak tells this so well, the symolism in this story is fantastic, I can't do it justice so I wont go there, but the story; Mr 5:9 And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many." This is written as a true story, so spirits are real, they say the fallen Angels, but you can read the very same scriptures as I and you will know that if there is no complete explaination, one pust fast and pray and maybe get an answer or insight. There are those who say the boy that had fits was an epileptic, that to me is a way of saying "I doubt He cast out a demon." Well I for one would be glad God does not zap doubters or that one would be gone. For me without a doubt there are spirits, most that we come in contact with, if not ministering Angels, are evil spirits, not to be toyed with. Don't know if I've helped you out or not, I am half asleep. Good night. CU tommorrow. |
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Post by John on Apr 29, 2009 13:50:32 GMT -5
well- are the spirits against YHVH, or for him? are they tempting to test the tzaddik of YHVH so that they may build them up? or are they trying to get them to fail?
i already have thoughts on this, but i am just interersted in your ideas of it.
shalom- john
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Post by Jonatan on May 7, 2009 6:55:24 GMT -5
Demons exist as unclean spiritual beings without flesh, desiring to sin through body of a human. Practicaly, they are the 'doers of the dirty work', while fallen angels are delegates, commanders that receive their commands by HaSatan and then assign missions to demons how to spiritualy destroy people through sin and then lead them to Sheol. Looks interesting - like in the war - that there are commanders who command their troops - but that's it. Our primary and only enemies are spiritual beings in heaven that are revolted against God, and of course demons that are either from the earth or from Tehom or Sheol or from where.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
No sin or no illness or something that's evil is without a demon according to its effect. Mainly the demons even call themselves by the name of the sins. Many times when someone is possesed and you are casting out B'shem Yeshua out of him/her demons, they may tell you: 'You do not know my name'. So you ask what's their name and they'll answer to you the name of the problem or sin what the one who are you casting out from has.
Now - one interesting thing (and sometimes hardly accepted by many christians, but it's true) - that even born-again christian/messianic can be possesed, can have demons in self. Through sin, demons have the right and authority to enter into sinner's body. And only B'shem Yeshua they can be cast away.
There's a good literature for this theme that I recommend - demonology and casting out demons in the name of Yeshua by Derek Prince. I think it's called: They shall cast out demons (the name is derived from Mark 16:17 as one of the signs that will accompany those who believe)
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Post by John on May 7, 2009 14:15:21 GMT -5
i am very acquanted with the school of thought that fallen angels are fallen angels and demons are seperate from that. i actually think that they MIGHT be angels, but they have just as good a probablity of not being able to.
shalom- john
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Post by Jonatan on May 11, 2009 16:49:48 GMT -5
Well, hardly to say. If you only had some extra-biblical writings about demons, direct or indirect. Cos it can hardly be found in OT and NT.
One is, however, sure. Fallen angels attack from sky, from the heavens (theologians say that from the 'second heaven', because they have no right and permission to enter the 'third' since they are revolted against YHVH and support HaSatan instead) through false doctrines and false mind fortresses in minds of people - this is the arguments of false doctrines such as materialism and other prejudices.
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
(2. Corinthians 10:3-6)
These strongholds are considered as war strategy of fallen angels who operate from heaven and we have to siege and destroy it in name of Yeshua.
I assume one opinion - that evil that come from heaven (fallen angel influence) is on intellectual/spiritual base - and is responsible for all the spiritual sins; while evil from the earth and underworld (demon and death influence) has the whole effect on body of a human - and thus is responsible also for carnal sins and also for all the physical problems, illnesses and deaths.
Demons attack from the ground, or underground - either from Abyss or from Hell or just from the earth. Some say that demons dwell in deserts - Yeshua had to deal with them. Is there any Jewish support also for 'desert demons' ?
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Post by John on May 11, 2009 20:01:03 GMT -5
desert demons. one of the most famous is azazel who was said to have been trapped in a cave that the goat of yom kippur fell on to its death. the idea was not that the oat was for azazel ias in demon worship, but transfering the sins of the demons.
i personally dont believe this, but this is the legend.
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