Post by pioneer on Apr 27, 2009 20:47:05 GMT -5
ASSUMPTIONS
In the mid or late 60’s I moved my family to Kansas. My new neighbor (a little old lady) as we were getting acquainted in the back yard, said to me. “You’re not Christian! Are you?” I suppose she could see the shock in my face, and she quickly added, “I mean you don’t go to the Christian Church? Well little did she know, but she was correct on both! I was an “Infidel”.
A few years later, with a detour through Nebraska. I moved back to Kansas, my oldest son was a Boy Scout and he joined the local troop. Soon I was recruited into Scouts. I knew very little about Scouting even though I had been a Boy Scout for a short time as a boy; the District Executive began to teach me. The first thing he taught me was “never assume anything!” He was so right!
Now to tie paragraph 1 and 2 together, When I began my search for G-D in the early 80’s. My youngest daughter had rebelled and I lost control (if I ever had control) and I was brought to my knees, which is the proper position to start a search for G-d! (I truly believed in a Supreme Being, a “Creator”, no “Big Bang“.)
I began to read and reread Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. I spent several hours a day reading, trying to understand the things I had assumed through the years, my life experiences. This Jesus I was reading about did not line up with the one that I had learned of through experiences at the Baptist church my Grandma attended, at my school, on radio and town tradition. This “Christian God, Jesus” was not the Jesus I was reading in the Gospels. Confused! I really was confused! The things he did and told his followers and disciples to do were not what “The Church” is doing and teaching! The more I studied the worse the confusion got. One day as I was working on my house, I was looking out to the tree line watching the birds (I was trying to get to them use my newly built feeder) as I was watching, I fell into a trance, daydream, or whatever? When I became aware of where I was, it was as if scales had been pulled from my eyes, the eyes of my mind. I understood! (Not like all knowing.) But, no longer confused and understanding that what I was reading was “TRUTH”. I understand the Gospel! It would take many more years to discover how and why the “ Church” became so fractured and split.
Without assuming, one could never come up with all the blatantly false, ungodly, and anti-Semitic “Church” teachings. YHVH -Jesus instituted the “Sabbath”, no where can one find the change of Sabbath in the scriptures. YHVH -Jesus instituted the “Holy Days”. Does he cancel them? YHVH -Jesus wrote the commandments. Cancellations notice? YHVH -Jesus said to seek the truth, Paul said to prove all things. What part of the truth is Sunday, Christmas and easter? With out assuming was YHVH -Jesus born of Dec. 25? Did the “Church” install Sunday? Was Acts 12:4 translated correctly?
Without assuming, one can not find Paul converting to “Christianity”.
What was Paul? A Roman Jew? With ties to the High Priest in Jerusalem?
Does he get a letter authorizing arrest of the men and women of the Way?
A sect of what?
Does this same Paul join this sect after he is baptized and had hands laid upon him?
Does this now baptized, spirit filled believer, go out and preach a
“New Christian Gospel”? In the words of Paul, “God forbid!”
Paul teaches the same “Good News” his teacher taught him at his Damascus road experience! Paul then said, 1 Corinthians 11:1 “imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.”
The “Anointed” went to the Temple on the Sabbath, read in the synagogue on the Sabbath, kept the “Torah perfectly”, ate kosher, observed the “Appointed Times” and the “Feast of Dedication”, was perfectly obedient to the Father!
Does the “Christian” concept of Paul, have him imitate Christ? Or does it make Paul cast in a cocked hat every teaching and footstep of YHVH -Jesus?
Does the Book of Acts have Paul in the Temple and in the synagogues preaching many Sabbaths?
Did Paul miss a golden opportunity? To tell those that wanted to hear him again, “Just come back tomorrow, we Christians meet on Sunday“.
Did Paul sacrifice in the Temple after he was converted? When he went to the Temple in Acts 21:23 "therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 "Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law.
("But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.")
The head of Paul’s church instructs him to teach these rulings (Ac 15:29-Ac 21:25)
Does he submit to the authority of the church?
Paul teaches in Romans to submit to those in authority. What then! Is Paul a hypocrite?
Does he teach it is okay to eat things offered to idols?--(1 Cor. 8:1 now concerning food offered to idols: we know that "all of us possess knowledge." "Knowledge" puffs up, but love builds up.)
---- Really? ------ God forbid!
If Paul is authorizing eating food offered to idols, why does he say that if you eat and cause one weak in the faith to eat and be destroyed, that you have sinned against Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus)? (1Co 8:9-12 paraphrased)
When given two set of facts and they seem to conflict! What are you going to do? Ignore YHVH -Jesus and take Paul’s new gospel? Could this be “itchy ears”? I suggest you reacquaint your-self with Paul without assuming. Paul is to the core a Hebrew of Hebrews, taught at the feet of Gamaliel, and by the Holy Spirit. He is in no way teaching what most Christians believe he is teaching.
In the words of YHVH -Jesus, Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them,
“You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.”!
In the mid or late 60’s I moved my family to Kansas. My new neighbor (a little old lady) as we were getting acquainted in the back yard, said to me. “You’re not Christian! Are you?” I suppose she could see the shock in my face, and she quickly added, “I mean you don’t go to the Christian Church? Well little did she know, but she was correct on both! I was an “Infidel”.
A few years later, with a detour through Nebraska. I moved back to Kansas, my oldest son was a Boy Scout and he joined the local troop. Soon I was recruited into Scouts. I knew very little about Scouting even though I had been a Boy Scout for a short time as a boy; the District Executive began to teach me. The first thing he taught me was “never assume anything!” He was so right!
Now to tie paragraph 1 and 2 together, When I began my search for G-D in the early 80’s. My youngest daughter had rebelled and I lost control (if I ever had control) and I was brought to my knees, which is the proper position to start a search for G-d! (I truly believed in a Supreme Being, a “Creator”, no “Big Bang“.)
I began to read and reread Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. I spent several hours a day reading, trying to understand the things I had assumed through the years, my life experiences. This Jesus I was reading about did not line up with the one that I had learned of through experiences at the Baptist church my Grandma attended, at my school, on radio and town tradition. This “Christian God, Jesus” was not the Jesus I was reading in the Gospels. Confused! I really was confused! The things he did and told his followers and disciples to do were not what “The Church” is doing and teaching! The more I studied the worse the confusion got. One day as I was working on my house, I was looking out to the tree line watching the birds (I was trying to get to them use my newly built feeder) as I was watching, I fell into a trance, daydream, or whatever? When I became aware of where I was, it was as if scales had been pulled from my eyes, the eyes of my mind. I understood! (Not like all knowing.) But, no longer confused and understanding that what I was reading was “TRUTH”. I understand the Gospel! It would take many more years to discover how and why the “ Church” became so fractured and split.
Without assuming, one could never come up with all the blatantly false, ungodly, and anti-Semitic “Church” teachings. YHVH -Jesus instituted the “Sabbath”, no where can one find the change of Sabbath in the scriptures. YHVH -Jesus instituted the “Holy Days”. Does he cancel them? YHVH -Jesus wrote the commandments. Cancellations notice? YHVH -Jesus said to seek the truth, Paul said to prove all things. What part of the truth is Sunday, Christmas and easter? With out assuming was YHVH -Jesus born of Dec. 25? Did the “Church” install Sunday? Was Acts 12:4 translated correctly?
Without assuming, one can not find Paul converting to “Christianity”.
What was Paul? A Roman Jew? With ties to the High Priest in Jerusalem?
Does he get a letter authorizing arrest of the men and women of the Way?
A sect of what?
Does this same Paul join this sect after he is baptized and had hands laid upon him?
Does this now baptized, spirit filled believer, go out and preach a
“New Christian Gospel”? In the words of Paul, “God forbid!”
Paul teaches the same “Good News” his teacher taught him at his Damascus road experience! Paul then said, 1 Corinthians 11:1 “imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.”
The “Anointed” went to the Temple on the Sabbath, read in the synagogue on the Sabbath, kept the “Torah perfectly”, ate kosher, observed the “Appointed Times” and the “Feast of Dedication”, was perfectly obedient to the Father!
Does the “Christian” concept of Paul, have him imitate Christ? Or does it make Paul cast in a cocked hat every teaching and footstep of YHVH -Jesus?
Does the Book of Acts have Paul in the Temple and in the synagogues preaching many Sabbaths?
Did Paul miss a golden opportunity? To tell those that wanted to hear him again, “Just come back tomorrow, we Christians meet on Sunday“.
Did Paul sacrifice in the Temple after he was converted? When he went to the Temple in Acts 21:23 "therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 "Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law.
("But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.")
The head of Paul’s church instructs him to teach these rulings (Ac 15:29-Ac 21:25)
Does he submit to the authority of the church?
Paul teaches in Romans to submit to those in authority. What then! Is Paul a hypocrite?
Does he teach it is okay to eat things offered to idols?--(1 Cor. 8:1 now concerning food offered to idols: we know that "all of us possess knowledge." "Knowledge" puffs up, but love builds up.)
---- Really? ------ God forbid!
If Paul is authorizing eating food offered to idols, why does he say that if you eat and cause one weak in the faith to eat and be destroyed, that you have sinned against Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus)? (1Co 8:9-12 paraphrased)
When given two set of facts and they seem to conflict! What are you going to do? Ignore YHVH -Jesus and take Paul’s new gospel? Could this be “itchy ears”? I suggest you reacquaint your-self with Paul without assuming. Paul is to the core a Hebrew of Hebrews, taught at the feet of Gamaliel, and by the Holy Spirit. He is in no way teaching what most Christians believe he is teaching.
In the words of YHVH -Jesus, Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them,
“You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.”!