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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 10:58:01 GMT -5
Shalom all
I'm Walt and I'm back.
I'm a former practicing pagan (wicca, new age, native americanism)
I use to be a "christian", but I've repented of that "practice without Torah" false replacement religion.
I walked away from a ministry as a truck stop chaplain as I saw the ugly underbelly of organized, man structured religion.
What I came through is not the important now - who I am now, where I at and which direction I'm headed IS.
I've been rebellious towards Yahweh in that I haven't been walking with Him after the discovery of the falseness of christianity as a whole, and their mishandling and corruption of Scripture.
I've had the lies ripped out - now I'm ready to fill the void with TRUTH.
I don't want to learn or understand traditions of men (I discovered that Messianic Judaism is also loaded with "Jewish" traditions that aren't found in Scripture)
I don't care to learn oral law (it's NOT Torah, and Messiah attacked them)
I don't care about commentaries, and a dead persons interpretation, I'd rather discuss, and work through the meaning and application with living brothers and sisters - I seek other seekers.
We (my wife Pam and I) desire to reestablish and develop a sincere TRUTH centered relationship with Yahweh through His Son Yahushua , to meet with Him on His appointed times, to come to better KNOW Him through Torah, to be obedient to Him because we love Him.
Pam and I have no one to fellowship with, and I have no friends, so maybe I can make a couple friends here.
Someone to share with on our journeys.
One of my definitions of a friend is: Someone who accepts you as you are, but loves you to much to let you stay that way.
Who will be honest and tell you the truth in love.
My signature is from an Alice Cooper song - but it reflects my hearts cry to Yahweh - I can't comprehend why He loves my (I've been such a retch) - I want to get inside His mind, to get to KNOW Him
What does it take to get inside His Mind?
Torah
Moedim
prayer
denying self & picking up stake to follow after Messiah.
I desire to be an encouragement to the brethren (brothers and sisters) and be there for those who are reaching out - to help as I'm able.
I hope we are able to get to know each other here, to come along side each other, as we travel our journey to know / love / serve Elyon.
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2009 12:08:53 GMT -5
do you read the new testement walt? that is a dead mans ideas and commentaries. oral law is important to an extant and Yeshua followed the practices unless they interfered with everyday life, etc. he didnt consider breaking it a sin.
shalom, and welcome back walt. why did you leave last time?
john
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Post by pioneer on Apr 26, 2009 12:12:41 GMT -5
Shalom all I'm Walt and I'm back. I'm a former practicing pagan (wicca, new age, native americanism) I use to be a "christian", but I've repented of that "practice without Torah" false replacement religion. I walked away from a ministry as a truck stop chaplain as I saw the ugly underbelly of organized, man structured religion. What I came through is not the important now - who I am now, where I at and which direction I'm headed IS. I've been rebellious towards Yahweh in that I haven't been walking with Him after the discovery of the falseness of christianity as a whole, and their mishandling and corruption of Scripture. I've had the lies ripped out - now I'm ready to fill the void with TRUTH. I don't want to learn or understand traditions of men (I discovered that Messianic Judaism is also loaded with "Jewish" traditions that aren't found in Scripture) I don't care to learn oral law (it's NOT Torah, and Messiah attacked them) I don't care about commentaries, and a dead persons interpretation, I'd rather discuss, and work through the meaning and application with living brothers and sisters - I seek other seekers. We (my wife Pam and I) desire to reestablish and develop a sincere TRUTH centered relationship with Yahweh through His Son Yahushua , to meet with Him on His appointed times, to come to better KNOW Him through Torah, to be obedient to Him because we love Him. Pam and I have no one to fellowship with, and I have no friends, so maybe I can make a couple friends here. Someone to share with on our journeys. One of my definitions of a friend is: Someone who accepts you as you are, but loves you to much to let you stay that way. Who will be honest and tell you the truth in love. My signature is from an Alice Cooper song - but it reflects my hearts cry to Yahweh - I can't comprehend why He loves my (I've been such a retch) - I want to get inside His mind, to get to KNOW Him What does it take to get inside His Mind? Torah Moedim prayer denying self & picking up stake to follow after Messiah. I desire to be an encouragement to the brethren (brothers and sisters) and be there for those who are reaching out - to help as I'm able. I hope we are able to get to know each other here, to come along side each other, as we travel our journey to know / love / serve Elyon. Good afternoon Walt, Welcome aboard, enjoy and fill that swept out mind with Torah so that no unclean thing may enter. It is my hope to help you along your path to all truth, test every spirit and prove all things. May Y H V H and his "Light"/Yeshua lite your path and your heart be full of light. Shalom u'vracha |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 12:46:40 GMT -5
do you read the new testement walt? that is a dead mans ideas and commentaries. oral law is important to an extant and Yeshua followed the practices unless they interfered with everyday life, etc. he didnt consider breaking it a sin. shalom, and welcome back walt. why did you leave last time? john I view what is referred to as the NT as Elohim breathed Scripture. Oral law comes from man and not Yahweh, I see no eternal purpose in following it. Yahushua regularly broke them, and commanded other to also. I left because I was getting away from forums, but I liking what/who I see here |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 15:41:18 GMT -5
Good afternoon Walt, Welcome aboard, enjoy and fill that swept out mind with Torah so that no unclean thing may enter. It is my hope to help you along your path to all truth, test every spirit and prove all things. May Y H V H and his "Light"/Yeshua lite your path and your heart be full of light. Shalom u'vracha Todah rabah kind sir for your words and offer. Shalom |
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2009 16:27:58 GMT -5
but Yehsua regularly followed oral law as well- i will not take the spot that you have for your jounrney... so we will discuss this in 'the talmud' or 'authroity or not'.
i am glad you like what you see here.
shalom-john
PS- what does todah rabah mean again? and shalom u'vracha?
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Post by pioneer on Apr 26, 2009 17:08:42 GMT -5
do you read the new testement walt? that is a dead mans ideas and commentaries. oral law is important to an extant and Yeshua followed the practices unless they interfered with everyday life, etc. he didnt consider breaking it a sin. shalom, and welcome back walt. why did you leave last time? john I view what is referred to as the NT as Elohim breathed Scripture. Oral law comes from man and not Yahweh, I see no eternal purpose in following it. Yahushua regularly broke them, and commanded other to also. I left because I was getting away from forums, but I liking what/who I see here De 22:8 "When you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house, if any one fall from it. Can you tell me how to build this parapet? It is in the oral Torah, the oral Torah is halachah/how to do what is commanded. No, it doesn't make the Torah void, man oversteps his bounds when he does so, but what else is new man has a habit of over stepping his bounds. This is where we are to test the spirit or speaker, to see if it aligns with scripture, if it does not then it is of man and we do not follow. Be a Berean and check the sctipture to see if it is so. 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Do you know why not one person asked him how do you do this? Yep, they knew, it's in the Oral Torah. |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 18:08:41 GMT -5
I view what is referred to as the NT as Elohim breathed Scripture. Oral law comes from man and not Yahweh, I see no eternal purpose in following it. Yahushua regularly broke them, and commanded other to also. I left because I was getting away from forums, but I liking what/who I see here De 22:8 "When you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house, if any one fall from it. Can you tell me how to build this parapet? It is in the oral Torah, the oral Torah is halachah/how to do what is commanded. No, it doesn't make the Torah void, man oversteps his bounds when he does so, but what else is new man has a habit of over stepping his bounds. This is where we are to test the spirit or speaker, to see if it aligns with scripture, if it does not then it is of man and we do not follow. Be a Berean and check the sctipture to see if it is so. 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Do you know why not one person asked him how do you do this? Yep, they knew, it's in the Oral Torah. HOW do we know which oral law has authority?  ?? I don't listen to Rabis who deny Messiah and who's father is satan. They aren't led by The Set Apart Spirit. |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 18:14:35 GMT -5
but Yehsua regularly followed oral law as well- i will not take the spot that you have for your jounrney... so we will discuss this in 'the talmud' or 'authroity or not'. i am glad you like what you see here. shalom-john PS- what does todah rabah mean again? and shalom u'vracha? Show mw where Messiah obeyed oral law in Scripture? WHOM do we trust as to WHAT oral law says? Passed down by word of mouth through the centuries??? - show a chain of custody. Sounds like how the catholics justify their doctrines - passed down from pope to pope with NO way to verify it. I trust NO NO man in regards to "trust me - this is oral law we must obey" I can't see that Yahweh would make our faith dependent on such wishy washyness that is unverifiable. There are sooo many different lists of what is oral law that it makes one's head spin. There are enough problems with differences in manuscripts, to add the nightmare of oral law conflicts and contradictions. Scripture ALONE is sufficient for faith in Yahweh (with of course the work of The Set-Apart Spirit) |
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Post by pioneer on Apr 26, 2009 19:05:14 GMT -5
De 22:8 "When you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house, if any one fall from it. Can you tell me how to build this parapet? It is in the oral Torah, the oral Torah is halachah/how to do what is commanded. No, it doesn't make the Torah void, man oversteps his bounds when he does so, but what else is new man has a habit of over stepping his bounds. This is where we are to test the spirit or speaker, to see if it aligns with scripture, if it does not then it is of man and we do not follow. Be a Berean and check the sctipture to see if it is so. 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Do you know why not one person asked him how do you do this? Yep, they knew, it's in the Oral Torah. HOW do we know which oral law has authority? ?? I don't listen to Rabis who deny Messiah and who's father is satan. They aren't led by The Set Apart Spirit. The oral law that doesn't change the meaning of the torah, mearly tells one how high a parapet should be to be legal. How to store up treasure in heaven. If one does not know what is legal how does one Shema v'shemar? Then you must be a Church of Christ adherant, if you can only accept the NT. A Rabbi who knows Torah and how God wanted it adhered to even if he does not know Yeshua, he knows the Law and how to keep it. No I don't look to him on things he has no knowledge of, but for how to love God and do his will, he is my guide. For the New Covenant the disciples are the guides. We need to know how to do the temple service, when He returns we will have to do them, so says the Tanack, so says Yeshua, so says Sha'ul. One can't learn the Moedim from a Christian. It was Elohim who blinded the Jew for your sake, cut him some slack! Upon the return of the Moshiach "all ungodliness will be removed from Yaccov" 'all Israel shall be saved'. The Christians seem to have done a number on you to think that the Rabbis don't know Y H V H - they know him, it's Yeshua they are not privvy to. But, they will soon enough- Y H V H -says so! BTW, you need to be grafted into Israel. The New Covenant is to be made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, just Hebrews! One can't hate the Root! If we don't take sap from the root we wither and die, dead branches do not bear fruit. (if he did not inform the Hebrews how to do his will, he wasted 4,000 years and so many souls) Partake of the richness of the Root and grow! |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 19:24:24 GMT -5
Then you must be a Church of Christ adherant, if you can only accept the NT. With all I've posted, that's the conclusion you draw of me? Well, boy was I wrong again. |
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2009 19:29:48 GMT -5
walt, we will discuss this somewhere else. this thread is YOUR spot for you to intrtoduce yourself, etc. we can disagree, and we are not making you agree with us to be on the forum- you can be on the forum and have a different doctrine.
but i will talk to you on the other threads.
shalom- john
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Post by pioneer on Apr 26, 2009 19:34:10 GMT -5
Then you must be a Church of Christ adherant, if you can only accept the NT. With all I've posted, that's the conclusion you draw of me? Well, boy was I wrong again. I am not God, I don't read your heart! I read your posts. It seems that one statement about Church of Christs undoes all the other posts I have posted. Shalom |
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2009 19:38:28 GMT -5
guys- i made a thread- 'oral law'- for you to post ideas on this subject on. i personally think it is a healthy debate.
shalom- john
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 20:03:19 GMT -5
. I am not God, I don't read your heart! I read your posts. It seems that one statement about Church of Christs undoes all the other posts I have posted. Shalom Doesn't undo anything you've posted. - Undoes what I've said. |
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Post by walt on Apr 26, 2009 20:07:39 GMT -5
walt, we will discuss this somewhere else. this thread is YOUR spot for you to intrtoduce yourself, etc. we can disagree, and we are not making you agree with us to be on the forum- you can be on the forum and have a different doctrine. but i will talk to you on the other threads. shalom- john Naw, that's ok thanks - I think further discussion on this would just amount to going in circles. I voiced my position - if oral law is needed for faith, I'm a lost cause. |
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2009 20:18:17 GMT -5
well, i still have to answer some of your questions, and personally i need someone to test me on my doctrines. i cant make you, and dont want you to if you dont want to, but i still urge you to join the discussion until that thread DOES start going in ircles.
shalom- john
PS- how did you come to the truth of the way
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Post by Jeordin on Apr 27, 2009 18:26:36 GMT -5
where do you get your pictures from. Uhh, like where do you download them to. Imageshack. I download mine to tinypic, they never work
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