What is resurrection for?

[pioneer]

I am starting this thread because of the Greek philosophy that influences the NT ideas like hell, immortal soul things that in the mind of a Rabbi steeped in Torah and Tanack never thought of.

In my search of the bible there is not one place where it is said that believers in Jesus go to heaven when they die!

This being the case just what is resurrection for?
In Mt. 24:29- 31 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Sha'ul reiterates this to his audience, speaking about the same time, the time of resurrection, the trumpet lows and the dead are raised; 1Co 15:53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

If anyone goes to heaven, this is the beginning of this process.

So why are these verses and all the others that tell us that the departed are not in heaven, but buried in the ground?

Where does the term immortal soul come from? Is it biblical?

Just where is hell in the Christian bible? If it be everlasting, where is it in the New earth?
Seems that there is not one mention of any such when the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire.

Seems to me that somewhere in the Holy Scriptures, there is something about treading up on the ashes of the wicked, this seems to imply they(wicked)are consumed to ash.
Peter says the elements burn with fervent heat, then the New Heaven and New Earth show up and is peopled by those who have the testimony of Yeshua and keep the commandments.

Soul sleep, immortal soul, ever burning hell, going to heaven, not going to hell, rapture, and all the myriad of other things that the Hebrew Sages have no part in but are mainline dogmas in Christianity.

Let's hear what you have to say and the proof is in the scriptures. If it has no support, don't post it.

[John]

so, before i anser your question, will you answer this?: why would YHVH ressurect someone just to kill them again if they are judged not worthy?

i know you are going to say 'why bring them out of hell just to put them in the lake of fire' well, i have an answer for that and i will type it later- i am on a time limit on the computer, so you know.

[pioneer]

Apr 22, 2009 17:42:48 GMT -5 John said:

so, before i anser your question, will you answer this?: why would YHVH ressurect someone just to kill them again if they are judged not worthy?

i know you are going to say 'why bring them out of hell just to put them in the lake of fire' well, i have an answer for that and i will type it later- i am on a time limit on the computer, so you know.

Why? Y H V H does not state why. The Hebrew sages say that the wicked are already judged and in a book of the wicked, the righteous are in the book of life both are not judged again.
Yeshua confirms the righteous bypass judgement in Jn. 5:24.
Rev; Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. (+Da 7:10 books were opened)
My count is books more than one (two) another book (one) = three books, It seems that the bible says at teshuvah one is forgiven of his past sins, making a charge against him nul and void, no longer remembered. If that one does shema v'shemar, nothing bad enter his book, he then only has a reward to look forward to.
The wicked already judged are consigned to the lake of fire to clense the earth of wickedness(elements burn with frevent heat)

The intermidiates/form of godliness,they have never been judged before they will stand before the "White Throne" and be judged "by what they had done" Re. 22:12
The righteous dead having the testamony of Yeshua and keep the commandments are installed as Govenors, Kings, and Leaders, whatever their reward for being "faithful in little things"; Lu 19:17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’
The people with a form of godliness are rewarded for all the good they have done for mankind, "His reward is with Him."
1Pe 4:18 And "If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?"

[John]

Why? Y H V H does not state why.

can he not, then, not state why he ressurects us when we have an immortal soul?

[pioneer]

[can he not, then, not state why he resurrects us when we have an immortal soul?]

He is supreme, can do what ever he wishes. That being said he is a JUST GOD. And being so he has said what he will do and we have to either to believe and obey or tell him to shove it!

Immortal soul is not biblical, those two words are not together in the bible, a figment of the Greek mind.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

It is abundantly clear to me that he is telling everyone choose life or death.
If we were immortal souls, he would have IMO phrased his offer like this, Where do you wish to spend eternity, in ever burning hell or sitting on a cloud watching all those sinners jumping from one hot rock to the next hot rock forever.

in the New Earth there will be no tears nor any unhappiness, Death and hell are burned to ashes and we will have no memory of that.

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Immortality is presented to those who She-ma v Shamar