Prophets with the gospel?

[John]

i have got a question. i have kindof already made up y mind, but my mind can be changed, and i want to know what you all have to say.

many b'rit chadashic writings have suggested that the prophets contain the same gospel that they preached.

many of the uncanonized books stress this tremendously.

i have no problem believing this litterally. Some people view this as a drashic staement. however, was not the law that Yeshua teached while incarnated the same law that he delivered to mosheh onsinai and in the burning bush? the law does not change.

i personally think that the same message that got Yeshua killed is the message that got the prophets killed.

but how do you all interpret this?

[Never Looking Back]

Apr 16, 2009 15:13:37 GMT -5 John said:

i have got a question. i have kindof already made up y mind, but my mind can be changed, and i want to know what you all have to say.

many b'rit chadashic writings have suggested that the prophets contain the same gospel that they preached.

many of the uncanonized books stress this tremendously.

i have no problem believing this litterally. Some people view this as a drashic staement. however, was not the law that Yeshua teached while incarnated the same law that he delivered to mosheh onsinai and in the burning bush? the law does not change.

i personally think that the same message that got Yeshua killed is the message that got the prophets killed.

but how do you all interpret this?

Think about human nature -- I believe in the fall and original sin. I don't know what other people believe regarding this subject.

But if people are constantly turning away from God and instead relying on themselves or other spiritual sources, such as the occult, then they are not going to like anyone who attempts to point them back towards God. People don't like to be made to feel guilty. People don't like to be reminded of where they fall short. People don't like to face the reality that they are sinning. That's why a lot of people reject the gospel. People don't want to admit that they cannot save themselves and that they actually need God.

The prophets were all called to point people back to God and humanity's need for Him. That is my interpretation.

Or, as Jesus says in John 3:19-21
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."


We are talking about astrology in the other thread....and i believe that that subject is related to what the prophets were preaching against. As mentioned earlier, astrology causes people to rely on something that is not God. The direct result of this is that people no longer follow after God or look to Him to meet their needs.

Astrology is a form of divination, and divination is condemned by God.

[John]

original sin is a whole other acan of worms and i will make a thread about it. personally- i do not believ in it.

i was speaking about the prophets haveing the gospel on a WHOLE different way, but okay. we see where you stand.

[anochria]

b'rit chadashic writings

could you please define this term?

[itiswritten]

Aug 19, 2009 10:46:32 GMT -5 anochria said:

b'rit chadashic writings

could you please define this term?

It's Hebrew for new (renewed) covenant. Actually it would read "covenant renewed." At least most of what I have found indicates that the term "new" in new covenant would better be translated as renewed.

[John]

i will refer to the NT as the brit chadashah or the brit chadashic writings or the nazarean codicil. i refrain from using the terms OT and NT to a jewish audience as it is offensive to some.

shalom- john

[pioneer]

Apr 16, 2009 15:13:37 GMT -5 John said:

i have got a question. i have kindof already made up y mind, but my mind can be changed, and i want to know what you all have to say.

many b'rit chadashic writings have suggested that the prophets contain the same gospel that they preached.

many of the uncanonized books stress this tremendously.

i have no problem believing this litterally. Some people view this as a drashic staement. however, was not the law that Yeshua teached while incarnated the same law that he delivered to mosheh onsinai and in the burning bush? the law does not change.

i personally think that the same message that got Yeshua killed is the message that got the prophets killed.

but how do you all interpret this?

Yeshua was the living Torah! The Torah was delivered to Moshe in those 44 days he spent with Hashem, in which Moshe became as God, he neither ate nor drank nor had needs as does a human.
Yeshua's mission was to die for the Adamic sin, proving that a man created in the image of God could indeed live an upright life and not sin and deface that image as did Adam/first man Adam.
unlike the message of most Christian ministers, man can if he wants to follow Sha'ul as he imitates Yeshua. When a man believes he cannot live a sinless existance, like Sha'ul says "to him it is sin."
Shalom