Mosheh

[John]

in Hebrews there is a series of verses on the faith of old testement people. this is what bar-nabba (writer of hebrews) has to say about mosheh:

hebrews 11:23-29

23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

Normal ritght? well, theres something peculiar about v. 26. lets reread that:

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

now my questin is this: how did mosheh know anything about Yeshua?

wow. that hit me hard. he, along with all the other patriarchs had a revelation of who the messiah was. Even though the mashiach did not come yet, they had faith in who he was. loook under 'feast of trumpets' and the 'the shofar' to find out how avraham had a similar revelation.

[pioneer]

Apr 4, 2009 14:32:33 GMT -5 John said:

in Hebrews there is a series of verses on the faith of old testement people. this is what bar-nabba (writer of hebrews) has to say about mosheh:

hebrews 11:23-29

23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

Normal ritght? well, theres something peculiar about v. 26. lets reread that:

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

now my questin is this: how did mosheh know anything about Yeshua?

wow. that hit me hard. he, along with all the other patriarchs had a revelation of who the messiah was. Even though the mashiach did not come yet, they had faith in who he was. loook under 'feast of trumpets' and the 'the shofar' to find out how avraham had a similar revelation.

Lu 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Lu 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

[John]

shiloh was the first mention of the mashiach in Tora (blatant mention that is- he is suggested to be mentioned even before that as things like Metatron [the Angel of the Lord] and other things)

[flint]

footnote:

"Metatron, the Angel of the Lord" is considered a false doctrine because while mentioned in some mystical Jewish texts like the Kabbalah, he is not recognized in the Bible and is often portrayed with powers and attributes that would essentially make him a "second God," which contradicts the monotheistic concept of Judaism and Christianity; worshipping or placing excessive importance on Metatron is seen as a deviation from orthodox religious teachings.
Key points about why Metatron is considered a false doctrine:
No Biblical basis:
The Bible does not mention Metatron anywhere, with his primary references coming from later mystical Jewish texts.
Exalted status:
Some interpretations depict Metatron as having an almost divine status, acting as God's scribe and being able to sit in the heavenly court, which is seen as contradicting the idea of God's unique position.
Potential for idol worship:
The attribution of such immense power to Metatron could lead people to venerate him as a deity, which is considered idolatry in most religions.