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Post by itiswritten on May 10, 2011 17:39:56 GMT -5
The first four chapters or so of Genesis set a precedent of many events that will continue to unfold. Also, we are told in various ways repeatedly that the end has been declared from the beginning. What things in the first four chapters do you think illustrates later history as well as the conclusion of this age?
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Post by pioneer on May 11, 2011 16:13:34 GMT -5
Be fruitful and multiply, 2. Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife. 3. The day you eat of it you shall surely will die. 4. Child birth. 5. eat by the sweat of the brow. 6. thorns and thistles. 7. Men began to call upon the Lord.(the Chumash say's man profaned the name) All the above are the history of mankind.
The end times, I fail to see where he revealed the reconcilliation of man in the first four chapters.
But, you must have so, give it up!
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Post by itiswritten on May 12, 2011 18:01:24 GMT -5
Cool. That's interesting about the whole history of man. Well, let's start at the beginning and we can just see where a discussion on the first four chapters leads.
The first verse in Genesis is comprised of seven words. From this the rabbis extrapolate from this that there will be seven thousand years of human history in this age. This agrees with these verses:
Psalm 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
2 Peter 3:7-8 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It seems that within the very first verse of the Bible it shows the duration of this age. Six thousand years followed by the Sabbath. Within the first word "Beresheet" or "in the beginning," there are a number of words embedded. In the first word beresheet backwards it says 1 Tishri. This is part of the reason that at Feast of Trumpets part of the theme is the creation. It is believed that everything began to be created on 1 Tishri.
In addition, when we look at the accounts in the gospels, Revelation and the astronomical data, evidence seems to be clear that Y'shua was born on Sept 11th 3bc. This would have been on 1 Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) on the Hebrew calendar. I believe that in the first verse it tells us when the Messiah will arrive.
In John 1:1, Yochannon gives us a commentary on Genesis. He begins by telling us that "In the beginning was the Word." He is referring to the fourth word in Genesis 1:1 that is not translated into English. It is the word "et" which is comprised of the first letter "aleph" and the last letter "tav" in the Hebrew alphabet. It would be similar to saying "In the beginning created Elohim (Alpha-Omega). However John is not giving us a Greek perspective, but a Hebrew one.
The sixth word in Genesis is the word "and" in English. In Hebrew it is the letters vav, aleph and tav. Therefore, the fourth word in Gen 1:1 is aleph-tav and we see the aleph-tav again in the sixth word. The letter vav is the sixth letter of the Hebrew alephbet. It is normally translated as "and." It's ancient symbol and meaning was that of a nail or hook. That is the function that it has gramatically. It connects things. The number six of course relates to man or flesh.
In John 1:14, John tells us that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. In other words, on the 1 Tishri 3bc, the aleph-tav born a human being that would be pierced by nails. (vav)
I've got to go for now, but I'll try to add more soon.
see you later, Keith
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Post by pioneer on May 22, 2011 3:06:51 GMT -5
Since I was left behind, aren't we into the 6,000th years? Or is the Jewish calendar completely correct? If so the 1,000 year reign of the Messiah will be in 229 years.
Any one else left behind or I'm all alone!
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Post by itiswritten on May 22, 2011 17:17:33 GMT -5
Yep, fortunately I was left behind too. I tell people that they should want to be left behind because it is the tares that are gathered first. I listened to some of Campings teachings. Other than setting a date, I couldn't tell much difference between his theology and most mainline churches.
I need to do some serious study on the Jewish calendar. Many believe that it is pretty far off. I need to do more study on the subject.
It does appear that we are in the 120 jubilee period since Adam. Some have placed the year 6,000 in 2012. Of course, Genesis 6 says that man's days will be 120. Moses' life was divided into three sets of 40 and died at 120. Also, he was upon the mount 3 times for 40 days for a total of 120. In the book of Acts 2, on shavaot/pentecost there were 120 present. I do think that 2012 will be a very significant year. It will be interesting to see what happens. Also 2014-15 seem to be very significant. There are a number of solar and lunar eclipses that fall on festivals during those years from what I remember.
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Post by pioneer on May 22, 2011 20:43:03 GMT -5
If my memory is good, it is thought by some that 270 years off. Myself, I don't think I'll be around to see the signs, but it won't be too many years hence. Yeah on the Tares!
I trust in his word, where-ever however, I feel safe. Where-ever he is, I'll be also!
Shalom
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Post by itiswritten on May 23, 2011 17:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for ole Harold Camping and his followers. Someone should tell him: "Don't feel bad Harold. It's not the end of the world."
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Post by pioneer on May 24, 2011 22:37:34 GMT -5
Just moved it to Oct 21st. Don't know why the date setters keep it up, happens every time! Reminds me of "The Boy who Cried Wolf", happened so often the people quit responding.
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Post by itiswritten on Jun 1, 2011 12:25:29 GMT -5
Yep, he'll probably have a lot of people following him still.
I've been pretty busy lately, but I'm still intending on adding some things on declaring the end from the beginning. Be sure and post your thoughts on the subject as well.
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Post by pioneer on Jun 1, 2011 15:57:29 GMT -5
I will, check this every day, so will reply.
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Post by itiswritten on Jul 27, 2011 10:33:16 GMT -5
It's been a while since I have posted on here. I do think that this is an interesting subject worth exploring.
We have seen that in the beginning (Gen 1:1) was the Word (Alephtav) which is the fourth word in the first verse. Again the Alephtav appears as the sixth word. This time it has a vav with it. The vav being the ancient symbol of a nail or hook. Therefore by the word (alephtav) all things were created and then the Alephtav is pierced by nails. He hung between heaven and earth thereby once again making it possible for them to be connected.
Many of Y'shua's parables dealt with the seed. In fact, without understanding that, all other parables cannot be understood. In Luke we are told that "the seed is the word." If in the beginning was the alephtav and the alephtav was the word (John 1:1) and Luke says that the seed is the word, then the Word would also be the seed.
Therefore in the beginning was the seed. We see the Spirit of Elohim hovering over the waters very much like when the Spirit overshadowed Miriam (Mary). What happens once a seed (sperm) fertilizes and egg? The two immediately become one and begin to divide. As the cells divide, they also multiply.
So in the beginning was the seed. The seed fertilizes the egg. We then begin to see the division of light and dark, the waters above from the waters below, the separation of waters and earth, etc. The cells are dividing and multiplying to create a child.
We also see this paralelled in the festivals. Starting from the woman's last period, we begin our count. The year begins in 1 Abib. After fourteen days is the Passover. The day when the death angel passed over the houses of the children of Israel. If the egg is not fertilized within 24 hours, the egg will die. Anywhere from 2 to 6 the egg moves down the fallopian tube. Of course, after Passover is Unleavened Bread and 2 to 6 days after Passover is the head of the barley harvest often referred to as firstfruits.
After 50 days, the embryo now looks like a human being. Shavaot (Pentecost) is 50 days after the head of the harvest. On the first day of the 7th month is Yom Teruah, the day of the alarming blast often called Feast of Trumpets or Rosh Hashanna. It is at this time that the baby is now capable of hearing sounds outside of the womb. 10 days later the blood is completely separated, the day that blood was brought into the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur.
The growing process continues through Sukkot and reaches full maturing at Chanukah. The normal birth cycle is 9 months which is 280 days or normally 40 weeks.
Of course after Israel coming out of Egypt and crossing the "red sea" , they spent 40 years in the womb of the wilderness. After 40 years of gestation, they passed over the Jordan and entered into the land of promise.
Thoughts?
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Post by pioneer on Jul 27, 2011 16:27:26 GMT -5
Very good, I am surprised, you are the first person who looks at the alephtav like that. We seem to agree on this. The seed issue, that too is along my thoughts. I'm trying to recall the word that pictures a little bit pregnant, it escapes me right now, but ir has to do with reciving the word.
Never had anyone equate the pregnancy with the Nation before, but it does have similar events. I enjoyed it very much.
Seems several visitors and my self are the only visitors to this site. so sad I really enjoyed most all of the posters, really miss them very much.
Shalom
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Post by itiswritten on Jul 28, 2011 21:47:35 GMT -5
Yes, there are so many fascinating things about the Alephtav. I'll try to add some more stuff on the alephtav soon as well as more things relating to the end from the beginning. Be sure and add some of your thoughts too. I know what you mean. It's too bad that some of the folks that use to take part in so many of the discussions don't come around anymore. take care and have a good shabbat. By the way, if you have time, you might like to hear a teaching I did recently on the topic of "salvation." It is listed on the right side under "Study Guides" here: joewhitten.com/keithmurray/lessonpage/
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Post by itiswritten on Jul 28, 2011 21:50:49 GMT -5
Sorry, I just realized that one hasn't been added to the site yet. Hopefully we will have it up soon.
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Post by pioneer on Aug 10, 2011 12:15:36 GMT -5
Well, Keith it is on now, but it is audio only and I've lost almost all my hearing, my headphones are broken so no way to hear it. I f you have a transcript, I would like that.
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Post by itiswritten on Aug 10, 2011 18:10:03 GMT -5
Hi Bob, sorry you've been having trouble hearing. You might try adjusting the sound with the speakers on the site and see if that helps any. You may also be able to adjust the volume on your computer and speakers more as well. We may start trying to do some videos of some of the teachings in the future. Maybe that might work better too.
I have an old article I wrote several years ago that I used for this recent teaching on the subject of salvation. If you want to email me, I could send you a copy of that. I don't have a transcript of the teaching though.
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Post by pioneer on Aug 20, 2011 22:53:49 GMT -5
I need to get an editor, talk to text, but not today. Deafness is a terrible thing. My email is the same one listed on the member info.
Thanks, Keith.
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