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Post by itiswritten on Feb 15, 2010 17:21:16 GMT -5
As many of you probably know, within the Hebrew Roots movement there has been a lot of disagreement regarding the calendar. Among these various views is using the New Moon to determine the Sabbath. Let me explain: As you know, the New Moon begins the month. Therefore the New Moon would be the 1st day of the month. There is a growing number of people that use this calculation to determine the weekly Sabbath. For example starting on the first day of the month counting seven days they determine that the seventh day is the Sabbath. For the record, I do not hold this view. I am however interested in hearing evidence both pro and con regarding this practice and others related to the calendar. Your participation is appreciated.
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Post by anochria on Feb 15, 2010 22:22:22 GMT -5
So, does this mean that Jews are uncertain as to which day of the week is actually the true Sabbath, extrapolated from the original observed Sabbath under Moses?
I've always wondered about that.
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Post by itiswritten on Feb 15, 2010 23:45:02 GMT -5
So, does this mean that Jews are uncertain as to which day of the week is actually the true Sabbath, extrapolated from the original observed Sabbath under Moses? I've always wondered about that. No as far as I know there isn't any confusion on the day of the weekly Sabbath. The issue that I was bringing up mainly was that there are people within the Messianic movement that believe that the weekly Sabbath should be calculated by starting each month at the new moon. I disagree with this position, but I was wanting to hear different points both pro and con regarding this issue. Also, there is disagreement among different groups about the calendar in general and how time should be reckoned and calculated. Of course the Gregorian calendar is completely different than the calendar of the Bible. The Gregorian calendar is mainly solar based. In Gen 1:14 it tells us that the sun, moon and stars are to be for (ot) signs and (moed) seasons. It seems that most of the world uses the sun to calculate time and that Hebrews mainly use the moon. Is there a good argument that the stars should also be considered in calculating proper time? |
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Post by Anon on Feb 16, 2010 0:30:54 GMT -5
The dispute over calender calculations seems to be uniquely messianic and of no real substance to the authentic MJ community. The Karaites are not regarded seriously by most Rabbinic Jews either.
-john
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Post by itiswritten on Feb 17, 2010 0:02:48 GMT -5
The dispute over calender calculations seems to be uniquely messianic and of no real substance to the authentic MJ community. The Karaites are not regarded seriously by most Rabbinic Jews either. -john What I'm looking for is not who is regarded seriously or how important people perceive the issue to be, but what is true. I am interested in seeing arguments of all sorts regarding the calendar and calculations to determine which view is correct. There are several viewpoints on these issues and I am interested in seeing the merit or lack thereof of these various views. For example, as mentioned previously, there are people who reckon the weekly Sabbath by the moon. I am interested in seeing support and objections for such a view. |
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Post by pioneer on Feb 21, 2011 2:44:25 GMT -5
The dispute over calender calculations seems to be uniquely messianic and of no real substance to the authentic MJ community. The Karaites are not regarded seriously by most Rabbinic Jews either. -john What I'm looking for is not who is regarded seriously or how important people perceive the issue to be, but what is true. I am interested in seeing arguments of all sorts regarding the calendar and calculations to determine which view is correct. There are several viewpoints on these issues and I am interested in seeing the merit or lack thereof of these various views. For example, as mentioned previously, there are people who reckon the weekly Sabbath by the moon. I am interested in seeing support and objections for such a view. If one uses the Torah as guide, there is only one mention of the new moon, long after Y H V H set in motion the seven day week and the months, the sabbath has always been the seventh day, the weeks have remained unchanged from the beginning to this day. Only this one sect of Messianics have chosen to set apart the New Moon/sabbath. All the work of Joccanan as breach maker breaking down the wall allowing the Kindom to go into all the nations all for naught these guys are building one of there own. For shame. The new moon is not mentioned until 1 Samuel. For people who put no stock in the oral law? The rosh of the months Abib the beginning of months. Really sad. Shalom |
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