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Post by neptune on Nov 15, 2009 16:16:18 GMT -5
was there ever any magic in the world? was there ever a world rulled by faires dragons nymps dryads and so. or was it just some thing 1 person made up
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Post by itiswritten on Nov 16, 2009 18:47:59 GMT -5
Well Neptune, I suppose it would depend on how you define magic. Of course there are magicians that practice magic by pulling rabbits out of hats, but I don't believe you are referring to that. Those people are illusionists that use slight of hand and smoke and mirrors to make it appear that they are actually magicians.
There have been lots of cultures that practice various forms of magic. In the Bible, Pharoah called for his magicians/soothsayers to match the miracles Moses was performing. In the time of Daniel, the king of Babylon had a group of people that in a sense were magicians. There are several magic workers in the Bible referred to such as the witch of Endor and Simon. (Acts 8)
There are many today even that practice different kinds of magic such as wicca and others. There were things performed by prophets in the Bible that some might refer to as magic. For example, Elijah calling fire down from heaven or causing an axe head to float in water. Another example would be the urim and thummim of the High Priest. These were two stones that the High Priest would use to determine what should be done in particular cases. In the New Testament, the disciples determine what disciple would replace Judas by casting lots. Again, some would call the casting of lots a form of magic.
The truly important thing to determine about magic is not so much what you call it, but by what source it comes or works. Many in the past used magic with varying degrees of success or failure, but do what they do by yielding themselves to unclean spirits (demons) or other ungodly sources of power. Many of these things are discussed in the scripture and the Bible speaks strongly against these practices.
On the other hand, there were people in the Bible and people today that were used as vessels to perform miraculous acts and miracles. This group of people accomplish these things from the power of God alone. However, in some cases it is not real easy to tell the difference. My advice would be stay away from "magic" completely and focus upon the Creator. He can and still does miracles and does use people to perform different kinds of acts. A person operating by the power of God should point people toward the Creator and not themselves. Again, some of these things are not easy to discern, so you really have to look at the fruit of the person. For we are warned in the scriptures in many places that there will be people capable of producing miracles that will deceive many people.
As to the existence of fairies and dragons, there are certain kinds of animals today and many extinct ones that would qualify by some as being dragons. There are several mentions in the scriptures of dragons such as Job 41 and Revelation 12 for example. Dragons in the Bible are often manifestations of satan or other evil beings.
Many cultures have myths regarding fairies. I suppose there is no way to be absolutely sure if they once existed or not. I'm not aware of any evidence other than myths. Who knows? It could be that the myths were based upon something at one time. There are also many myths and legends about giants and the Bible speaks about their existence.
I hope this helps a little. I know that a lot of teenagers are interested in these kinds of subjects, but I just want to caution you to be very careful about getting involved in magic or too obsessed fairies and dragons and the like.
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Post by neptune on Nov 17, 2009 7:27:27 GMT -5
lol im not obessed just curiose i prefere anceinte myths to twilight. as they say every story has a grain of truth to it and ty help alot
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2009 15:26:36 GMT -5
was there ever any magic in the world? maybe. CS Lewis taught about Magic in THe Chronicles of Narnia, calling the olde magic love. That is the strongest type of magic.
as for mythical creatures really existing- there is no hard evidence but every culture seems to have found half fish-men creatures and Jasher records half man- half beast creatures. Rabbinc Trdition, Job, and the book of Giants refer to ancient sea creatures, esp. Rahab.
so i dont know, but if there was there hasnt been anything yet to prove it. and i think part of it is our own need for something mythical to beleive in. A few thousand years from now, a cat may seem mythical to man, eventually turning into a creature that has sharp teeth and scales and one eye, etc.
most legends are based off of truth.
john
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Post by Jonatan on Nov 25, 2009 12:55:42 GMT -5
Maybe the matter of so-called dinosaurs by modern scientists could prove the existence of such beings.
I admit that some dinosaurs could even burst out flames - that's why the myth of dragons. Of course, how would nowadays scientists know whether they had fire-breath or not?
Such Leviatan in Job 41 is written to have fire-breath and if you compare some dinosaur skeletons to dragons, you may find some similar signs.
Sure things about the beings from the adamic times before deluge that were unclean offspring of women and fallen angels is that they all were given a great power by Satan (whether himself or thru their fathers) to terrorize the mankind. Book of Enoch speaks well of that. And that's why the deluge came. Justice of the Lord was done!
So shall be done even in the eschatologic times. Yshua says that as was in the times of Noach, so shall be in the period of His coming (Mat. 24). I even believe the Antichrist (the Beast in Rev. 13, 2 Thess. 2) to be fruit of similar unclean relationship between woman and a fallen angel (or even Satan himself) as was in times before deluge.
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2009 13:55:30 GMT -5
Thomas:
i suggest reading The Secret Teachings of All Ages by manly p hall. He does a great job in giving the allegorical meaning to greek myths.
for example, bacchus was eaten by the titans and then the titans were destroyed and from them humans were made. Hall tells us that the bacchic mysteries taught that each man was trying to overcome his titanic nature and nurture his bacchus within. we have a seed of bacchus within us all.
in other words, the legends were not to be taken literally, but were to reveal spiritual truths.
shalom
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Post by Jonatan on Nov 27, 2009 9:44:17 GMT -5
Do you think in those distant times, that people would know anything about allegory? Greek philosophers probably started with it and the far ancient people (Adamic and Noachide era) were just living as simple ones, thinking wordily and literally. Do you think the people speaking oral traditions would dare speak in allegories and not true stories (of course from their point of view) which none of the philosophers or total unbelievers would believe, unless they see it?
Interesting about greek myths is that it may overlap with the Book of Enoch or other apocryphas and thus giving a picture of that what happened before the deluge. Some people speak about sunk Atlantida (or the old world), which could be Eden - whereas the whole world was sunk and Eden has fallen into underworld as is written in some prophets (maybe Ezekiel, I think ?).
Then there's next thing with the titans - if greek myths say that titans were sons of gods, then there's sure thing they were either fallen angels, Nephilim or such sort!
Other cultures (than hebrew biblical culture) also give some responses about the ancient world through myths. However, because they are not biblical cultures, they cannot give correct judgements on important things concerning spirit and morale (unless they are really morally/spiritually ok).
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Post by John on Nov 27, 2009 14:56:51 GMT -5
do you know where the myth of atlantis came from? Plato's record. And plato was an initiate into the grteek mysteries. In other words, atlantis was a teaching of the mysteries which is an allegory (like the eden myth) which told of man's initial state. In other words, Atlantis was a product of ancient myths that were an allegory.
the ancients were very advanced in everything- language, architecture, astronomy, etc. Allegories were very prominant among the people who wrote the bible and other texts. So yes i do think that the myths were started as allegories and intended to be taken as literal truths by those who invented the allegories so as to lead the person into the higher literal meaning behind the allegories.
i am being slightly enigmatic because i cannot explain the whole thing. If you want to know my full point of view, i will post a thread so we can tlak about it.
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