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Post by itiswritten on Oct 15, 2009 17:04:44 GMT -5
Although there is great disagreement about the authorship of Hebrews, I couldn't find a Hebrews thread anywhere else. I hope this is the correct place for it.
Anyway, I am interested on getting everyone's thoughts regarding the order of Aaron and the order of Melechzedek. For one thing, do you believe that Melechzedek was an actual person or do you believe that it is a title and includes an lineage of priests from Adam, Seth, and so on.
The main thing that I am interested in discussing though is the authority of each of the priesthoods. For example, we are told that the priesthood of Melechzedek was before the Aaronic and continues on. We are told that it is the greater priesthood. However running parallel to the order of Melechzedek for a time at least was the Aaronic. Do you believe that the Aaronic priesthood has ceased completely and forever and that whatever authority that it contained is finished? Do you believe that the Aaronic priesthood will be reestablished, but will not have equal authority with the Melechzedek priesthood? Or will the lines merge somehow?
The thing that I'm particularly interested in is the authority issue. In what ways does the Melechzedek priesthood supersede the Aaronic? I hope to hear some interesting perspectives from you all.
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Post by Jonatan on Oct 16, 2009 4:16:13 GMT -5
If MelekhZedek was a title, Bible would have said it somehow openly. But this way, it is a person as we read.
Next thing is that only Melchizedek brough up bread and wine (such as Yeshua did in last supper) and Abraham gave him tenth part of his wealth.
No mention that anyone would have done such as this in whole Torah.
And well, Hebrews say that - as far as I know, only Yeshua is the priest in MelchiZedek's order. This is also prophecy by David (see Psalm 110)
4 The LORD has sworn
and will not change his mind:
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."
Well, when Lord returns to establish millenial kingdom, it is very difficult to say what happen to Aharonic priesthood. According to Ezekiel 40-48, Levites must be in the temple, and maybe Aharonic bloodline as well. I don't know. See in Ezekiel if there's a mention of Aharon's descendants or not.
Of course, I don't see it as a problem for Messiah to have Aharonic priesthood.
Yeshua is both King, Priest and Prophet - all in one, and I believe he'll have the King's Palace and sit on the throne of David, while there will still be the temple.
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Post by itiswritten on Oct 16, 2009 17:36:53 GMT -5
If MelekhZedek was a title, Bible would have said it somehow openly. Thanks for your response Jonatan. Of course Pharaoh and Caesar are both titles that are used in the Bible, but it never explains that they are titles. Some believe that Melechzedek was such a title and that there were a number of people who served as the Melechzedek down through the years in the same way that many served as Pharaoh and Caesar. I would be interested in evidence pointing either or both directions. Yes, certainly we are told that Y'shua is a priest forever in the "order of Melechzedek." I am curious if there were other priests in that same order also. Yes, thanks for bringing up Ezekiel. I'll take a look at that again. It could be that these two priesthoods run parallel in the past in the future. Hopefully more information will be revealed regarding these subjects. |
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Post by John on Oct 19, 2009 20:03:36 GMT -5
i have written quite alot about the aharonic and malki-tzedekan preisthoods, so i will have to go get my notebooks and copy down what i wrote.
i am sure the most interesting thing that you will find in my priesthood-ology is that the aharoinc priesthood is a degration of the MP. Ha! intrigued you; so now you have to wait till i write from my ntbks.
shalom- john
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Post by pioneer on Feb 9, 2011 19:07:44 GMT -5
Just remember at the time of Melechzedek, there was no tabernacle nor temple.
Kinda adds a new dimention to this thread.
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Post by emet22 on Feb 10, 2011 15:56:50 GMT -5
Good point Bob. At least there wasn't one mentioned specifically. Perhaps he was just not a priest of a physical temple here on earth.
It does seem clear to me though that there was a temple in Eden. Consider the area. We have a garden planted eastward in Eden. Then the "midst" of the garden is mentioned. We see the tree of life. Of course in synogogues as part of the liturgy, a song referring to the tree of life is sung as the Torah scroll is brought out from the Ark and lifted up. Adam was placed in this "garden" to guard and work in it. So was Adam a priest in the Melchezidek order?
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Post by pioneer on Feb 10, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -5
Yes, food for thought.
I am not sure that that would have been a part of the fabric of Eden, I would more than likely think that due to the fallen state of the first Adam, that a holy place was necassary for G-d to commune with man, remember the holy mt. of Moshe.
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Post by emet22 on Feb 11, 2011 13:08:05 GMT -5
The thing that I was describing regarding the garden and Adam was before the fall. Just as tabernacle/temple complex had three areas, we have a similar breakdown of the garden area.
Outer court: Eden
Holy Place: Garden was planted eastward in Eden
Holy of Holies: The midst of the garden
Adam was then placed in the garden to dress and keep it. After they sinned, the man was driven out just as when Israel and Judah were dispersed from the land.
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Post by pioneer on Feb 11, 2011 15:26:39 GMT -5
Center of the universe.
It could be.
Even tough he was all knowing and knew Adam would sin, he placed Adam in the garden intending for all mankind to be there and communning with him as did Adam & Eve.
I see Eden as self contained, needing nothing(Perfect)self sustained a picture of the new heaven & earth where-in God dwells with us (He our God and we his people).
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Post by emet22 on Feb 11, 2011 22:55:11 GMT -5
Yes. Once Adam sinned, the way to the "tree of life" was blocked by the cherubim. On the veil are figures of cherubim and of course the ark was shadowed by the two cherubs.
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Post by itiswritten on Feb 12, 2011 21:34:48 GMT -5
Thanks for your help Bob. I'm now able to log on as my old self.
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Post by pioneer on Feb 13, 2011 12:51:03 GMT -5
GOOOOD! hope others will log on and discuss.
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