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Post by neptune on Aug 13, 2009 17:46:24 GMT -5
what is the force we use to fight our wars?
they commet so many sins yet we respect them.
many young wish to be them.
they are brain wahed in boot camps
they have sexual intercorse with lowly prostuts
they kill many
are they forgiven for these acts simply by serving there country?
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Post by John on Aug 14, 2009 8:06:24 GMT -5
we are all sinful. one sin makes us all a transgressor of the law. if we judge them, than we judge ourselves at the same time, for we are also sinners.
this is because the same person who said do not murder said do not commit adultry. now, if you dont murder, bt=utcommit adultry, than you have become a transgressor of the law. For if we keep the whole law but offend one point of it, we are guilty of breaking it as a whole.we all are transgressors of the law. so to judge one for sin would be judging ourselves at the same time.
so yes tey are forgiven, just like any other person. God forgives every person, and we should too. but the penalty is still there. they will still have to pay for their sins.
and they are righteous in protecting a country.
murder does not apply to wars.
shalom- john
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Post by itiswritten on Aug 14, 2009 22:29:56 GMT -5
Well said John. Yes, the Bible makes a clear distinction between killing and murder.
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Post by neptune on Aug 15, 2009 12:44:04 GMT -5
hmmm interristing and ty for replying
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Post by itiswritten on Aug 16, 2009 17:09:10 GMT -5
No problem Neptune. Yes, there is justified killing such as self-defense when someone breaks into your home at night for example. Then there is murder. For example a person is angry with another, plans and murders them. These are just two examples of killing and murder. Even in our courts we have different degrees of killing and murder. For example, negligent homicide which would be accidentally causing someones death because of being negligent.
Feel free to start new threads or chime in on old ones.
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Post by Jonatan on Aug 27, 2009 6:48:34 GMT -5
Yes, by the original, it is NOT written: "THOU SHALL NOT KILL", but Lo Tirhhatz!, (Thou shall not MURDER - in Hebrew).
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill (oh yeah, murder!); and whosoever shall kill(murder) shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(Matthew 5:21-22)
The main part of this sin is when it begins. Yeshua pointed on the beginning in the heart. Not that just one man picks a weapon and kill other, but the attitude of anger in heart that one just want to murder someone.
In battle, it is another matter. Even when Sons of Israel were commanded to conquer Land of Canaan, when they razed the cities, they were not breaking the commandment, because they didn't murder them somehow wickedly or stealthily, but were fighting as two equal forces, even the enemies were greater in counts (But Lord helped Israel), so there cannot be any word about murdering.
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Post by John on Sept 1, 2009 10:18:10 GMT -5
when someone ily kills someone, they are allowed to go to cities of refuge before their trial to try to prove that they did not kill the brother on purpose, therefore recieving a lesser punishment. however, the brother of the one killed may be an "avenger of " and kill the killer- life for a life. but this is only if the brother of the one killed sees it fit to do so. he cannot do it out of revenge or evil in his heart- the motivations would make the act unholy and wrong even though the law permits it when done in righteousness.
wars do not count as , for God himself commanded the Israelites to go to war. but the war has to be just. go to anochria's forum and look under the thread "just war theory" to see peoples opinion about that.
as for itself, a life for a life. the penalty is ALLOWED in all cases of , but may not be the most righteous decision... we may want to give a leser punishment: "The Judgement will be without mercy to him that shows no mercy, but mercy reigns over judgement." (james something or the other) we need to show mercy.
as for Yeshua's assesment of "an eye for an eye" Yeshua teaches that this should be done with a forgiving heart. however, forgiving someone and punishing them for their sin are not mutually exlusive- we can punish one, and are supposed to punish one, for their sin, even if we have forgiven then, but the decision made witha forgiving heart is a righteous decision.
for my assesment of "turn the other cheek" see "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" in another thread. (if you cant find it look under the search bar at the bottom)
shalom- john
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