The ressurections

[John]

under "deuteronomy" and under "deuteronomy 34" we dicussed whether mosheh was raised from the dead or not. and could be one of the 2 witnesses of rev 13

we decided that this was possible for lazerus was raised after death and definitely died again (though some are of the interpretation that he ascended with Yeshua, yet then we would have to reinterpret how Yeshua was the "firstfruits of those who rose." for if Yeshua was the first to be ressurected with an immortal body, than this could be so, but if lazerus was also ressurected this way, than lazerus would have been the firstfruits. actually, others resssurected in the OT would).

however, than we have to decide what is meant by the writer of hebrews in saying "every man is to die once and then comes judgement." i interpret this as being at least once.

also, Yochanon speaks of a ressurection of life and one of deah. the writer of hebrews speaks of the doctrine of the RESSURECTIONS being a milk of the believer... obviously this is one of the basic doctrines and we need to understand this until we move onto meat, or we will throw the meat back up becaues we are not ready for it as a baby.

than in revelation 2 rtessurections are spoken of, one of the righteous and one of the evil.

some say that only the righteous will be immortal and the unrighteous will die when thrown into the fire. others say that the term "second death" refers o seperation from God.


so let us speak of the doctrine of the ressurections, and expound upon it.

shalom- john

[anochria]

Okay, I can think of at least 6 kinds of "resurrections" in Scripture.

1) The symbolic corporate resurrection of Israel (Ezekiel 37)
2) Jesus' resurrection to an imperishable body as a firstfruit
3) The resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked at "the last day" (Daniel 12, Rev. 20:13) to imperishable bodies
4) The coming to life/ resurrection that we experience when we first come to Christ (Rom. 6:13)
5) The first resurrection of Rev. 20:4-5, which I see as a spiritual "living on" after death and not a bodily resurrection
6) Various resurrections/ recussitations of individuals from death back to a perishable existence (such as Jesus' healings or those that came back to life at the crucifixion)

[John]

i will post more here on this FABULOUS topic after i get back from camp.

shalom- john

[Jonatan]

FABULOUS? Why fabulous?

[John]

the ressurection is the most improtant topic of the bible- it is the means by which Yah gives eternal life. it is the means by which we are saed- through the ressurection of Yeshua. !! the ressurection is the most central doctrine of the earlychurch! it is sad how unknown the doctrine of the ressurection is now.

shalom- john

[anochria]

it is sad how unknown the doctrine of the ressurection is now.

Why do you say this?

[John]

because a loot of people i speak to are ignorant of a collective ressurection in the future. they just dont know. and that is one of the central doctrines of the NT, and it is a promise in the old (that can be fulfilled through Yeshua). when we recieve eternal life, it means eternal living after the ressureection.

shalom- john

[anochria]

So, you mean, in other words, that they have been influenced by a more Greek notion of heaven as an eternal, disembodied state?

Yeah, that is a problem among the Christian masses. However, I have seen a renewed interest among thinking Christians to emphasize the resurrection and the importance of it's physicality. This is encouraging to me.

One of the best proponents of restoring the biblical understanding of "resurrection" is N.T. Wright. I'd recommend his books "Surprised by Hope" and, for a more scholarly treatment, "The Resurrection of the Son of God"

Oh, and I imagine that among my definitions of resurrection in the bible, number 5 would be the most controversial for you. What do you think of that?

[NOTE FROM JOHN: check the double posting rules out.]

[John]

i do believe in the concept of aspiritual resurrection, but i dont believe that it takes place in the verse in revelation. that is a literal account, one of the few literal things of revelation (another being the 144000 jews, etc).

but again, i will have to work on it and create a treatise on teh resurrection with my parashah comentary this week.

shalom- john

[anochria]

Sometime we'll have to discuss Rev. 20 at length.

[John]

ill set a thread up. i wont be able to respond to it until school starts (few weeks) though, because i am going to be busy for the rest of this summer. i hate that i am too busy for a good theological sdiscussion, especially with you. :-)

shalom- john

[Jonatan]

So you want to discuss ressurection, cos it's really marvelous! Sorry!
My thoughts about the statement that "it is fabulous" were that you deny it and consider it something imaginary.

Well, yes, as it is written - the ressurections have their order as was established by Word of God. And that's why we know the future through the Book of Revelation.