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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 10:13:27 GMT -5
Do a search of the word, the word of the lord, the word of God.
Whomever is not moved by this is fatheaded and can not be moved by anything in the word.
The word/Torah/bible/Yeshua are one and the same.
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 13:49:55 GMT -5
the theology of the "word" was derived by Yochanon from Philo. read his philosophic discouces- he comes very close to the truth. Yochanon no doubt read some of his discourses.\
Yeshua is the Living Torah, but he is not the Tanakh as a whole. The letters of Torah are said to ahve been the foundation for the hwole universe.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 15:16:43 GMT -5
the theology of the "word" was derived by Yochanon from Philo. read his philosophic discouces- he comes very close to the truth. Yochanon no doubt read some of his discourses.\ Yeshua is the Living Torah, but he is not the Tanakh as a whole. The letters of Torah are said to havve been the foundation for the whole universe. That kind of makes a revelation less noticable. I believe Yochanan was into the SOD level of PaRDS. He and Sha'ul are into SOD much of the time. They open up vistas one could never get from the p'sht/simple meaning of scripture. If you have hispeed internet, drop by Universal Torah Network, watch some of Sam Peaks programs. I love his work. Torah; from the Chumash; "When a human being builds a palace, he does not build it according to his own wisdom, but according to the wisdom of a craftsman. And a craftsman does not build upon his own wisdom, rather he uses plans and blueprints in orderto know how to make rooms and corridors. The Holy One Blessed is He did the same. He looked into Torah and created the world."(Midrash) Shalom u'vrachot |
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 16:09:33 GMT -5
i think that YHVH made Yeshua, who created the world according to the blueprints of YHVH. i think that saying Yeshua was Elohim was showing he was the person in genesis that the rabbis had a hard time complying with the rest of Torahs theology. they thought Elohim was YHVH, but Elohim was actually Yeshua, who was saying to the father 'let us make man in our image.' he is the perfect manifestation of YHVH- all the sefirotic emanations packed into one fleshly body.
i will go to see sam peaks videos.
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anochria
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Post by anochria on Apr 28, 2009 18:05:30 GMT -5
Could you define this term. I'm curious.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 28, 2009 19:53:44 GMT -5
Sefirot (se-fee-ROHT)
Lit. emanations. In Jewish mysticism, the emanations from G-d's essence that interact with the universe.
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Post by John on Apr 28, 2009 20:21:11 GMT -5
the sefirot of kabbalah. this is the 'poortions of the spirit' that shaul speaks of. he also speaks of ascending to heavens which may refer to the kabbalistic worlds. speaking of kabbalah, i need to work on my kabbalah thread. there i will discuss it more throughly.
shalom- john
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anochria
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Post by anochria on Apr 29, 2009 20:10:55 GMT -5
Interesting. Is this how you allow for Jesus to be worshipped?
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Post by pioneer on Apr 29, 2009 23:34:12 GMT -5
Interesting. Is this how you allow for Jesus to be worshipped? Why do you suppose the story of Joseph is told in the Torah? Why do you suppose the Book of Esther is in the Tanack? Why do you suppose Yeshua was sent into the world? Just a bunch of fluff? Thet are put in order, seder is the order of the service. |
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Post by John on Apr 30, 2009 13:48:16 GMT -5
Interesting. Is this how you allow for Jesus to be worshipped? no.... its just a theology that i have acquired through study. |
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anochria
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Post by anochria on May 3, 2009 22:23:12 GMT -5
Do you believe that yeshua should be worshipped?
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Post by pioneer on May 4, 2009 14:24:16 GMT -5
Until I recieve instructions to worship Yeshua, I will only worship Y H V H , just as Yeshua recomended we do in spirit and in truth and ask for these things in the Hashem of Yeshua.
Over and over even from the mouth of your god, he Jesus said to worship only Y H V H , his God and your God. Lu 4:8 And Jesus answered him, "It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’"
So until I get it from the horses mouth I shall not change the object of my effection My Lord and my Savior the creator of the heavens and the earth- Y H V H --!
The final words of the Angel of Revelations is to worship God!
Sssooooo, if you would follow your god, Jesus, you would worship God.
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Post by John on May 4, 2009 17:09:30 GMT -5
Yeshua should not be worshipped. he is the means that we are ressurected, and redeemed and for that i am grateful. but i will not idolize him above or with YHVH.
shalom- john
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anochria
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Post by anochria on May 4, 2009 18:19:56 GMT -5
What do you make of the several passages where Jesus is said to have been worshipped?
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Post by pioneer on May 4, 2009 21:30:56 GMT -5
Name one! The only place where it comes close is "My Lord and my God."
You say this yourself, but that is the precepts of man, are they not?
In Scripture there is only worship God and people of the earth worship "it" The beast image.
It seems you have become a convinced Christian even though there is not one scripture that says "I am God." in red letters in a red letter edition. The rest is assumming.
As stated earlier Yeshua says to worship God the Angel of Revelations says to worship God, never is the word, Jesus and worship in the same sentance.
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Oh, didn't sha'ul say But this I admit to you,that acording to the Way which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down bt the law or written in the prophets,------ Oh, gosh I thought sure he told them he worshipped Jesus. Heads, I win, tails, you lose! Try again another day maybe you will catch us sleeping and be able to coat the truth with a coat of red paint. Don't think so.
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Post by John on May 5, 2009 5:30:31 GMT -5
this also proves that Shaul lived according to the WHOLE law. he said he lived by EAVERYTHING in the Law, Neviim, and kethuvim.
please do bring up some places where Yeshua is apparently worshipped anochria... this will be interesting.
shalom- joyhn
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anochria
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Post by anochria on May 5, 2009 21:03:11 GMT -5
I would be much more likely to in the absence of mockery.
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Post by John on May 6, 2009 17:38:52 GMT -5
please- just do it. ignore anyone who causes you problems - THIS IS THE INTERNET. you can ignore tham and they cant do anything about it. now, problems on this forum are to be reported to me privately- not where every other person on the web could see it.
shalom- john
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Post by Jonatan on May 7, 2009 7:52:22 GMT -5
Hey - the Word of God = IS GOD! You cannot love more YHVH than you love His Word. It's just like one person. Yeshua said:
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 10:31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him...
John 10:38 ...But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
Those Jews knew it would be blasphemy if He wasn't really God - one God together with the Father.
Let us look it this way - We all breath, we all speak. If I speak, are not my words part of me? It's me, also. And if someone is a father and ask his son to do something as he says to him, if the son has true respect for his father, he does it, the word spoken to him - that's called that he honors and obeys his father (according to Exodus 20:12).
Our only way to come and even know YHVH is only through His Son, His Word. He is the only way, cos no one have seen the Father and cannot see Him and no one can go to Father without His Son. Yeshua have said it also:
John 10:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
All commandments given to Moses, every word spoken by YHVH was Yeshua.
If my wife kiss my lips, does she not kiss me?
If someone attacks my body, does he not attack me?
Every part of me IS ME!
Word of God is part of God - and thus IS GOD.
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anochria
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Post by anochria on May 7, 2009 12:29:37 GMT -5
If you want your forums to be like other online forums, that's your choice. But I find most online forums rather annoying. Flaming shouldn't be tolerated and I will not stay long if it keeps going, and neither will most people.
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