Bubba goes to Heaven

[pioneer]

Bubba Goes to Heaven


It is early evening, Bubba Christian and his family are in the middle of supper, Bubba lifts his eyes to see Saint Peter standing before the Pearly Gates, ST. Peter beacons to Bubba. Bubba is startled, he stands up quickly, dropping both, his napkin and the Pork chop bone he was gnawing on, it falls into what’s left of the potato volcano crater filled with gravy! Bubba quickly wipes his mouth with the back of his hard, then dries his hand on his jeans.

Suddenly he is wafted into the clouds and finds himself standing in front of the New Jerusalem! It is an awesome sight! Bubba has been here many times in his imagination, it’s more breathtaking than he had pictured.

Bubba wants to see more and starts toward the door, ST. Peter hold up his hand in a sign of halt, Bubba stops, St. Peter is sniffing the air, the odor is emanating from Bubba! St. Peter Points to a sign on the gate “Blessed is he who washes his robe.” Under it “No unclean thing allowed”

ST. Peter says to Bubba, “I thought you knew! The instructions were in Torah. There were many rehearsals, I thought you knew!”

Bubba says “But I was promised salvation when I accepted Jesus!” ST. Peter says “You are Eternally Alive!” He continued “Yeshua warned you when he gave you the parable of the wedding feast, where one failed to do the masters will, and put on clean garments.” Bubba falls down, weeping and gnashes his teeth, he now knows the outer darkness.

And Eternity Continues._____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

[John]

this is an interesting modern day parable. i think that you are a little off... but it definately defines YOUR views.

[Jeordin]

May I ask what exactly ar you saying. I don't get it. Ha that man sounds like my Uncle Iggy, definite redneck. Why would he be reading the torah. and ummm, what rehearsals. What does the parable mean by that, plus what about poor people. some of them stink

[John]

lololololololololololololol. jeordin i almost fell out of my chair reading your post. i will let pioneer explain what he means however.

[Jeordin]

haha, ummm I was being serious

[John]

i know- thats what made it so halarious. its just funny how you worded it and expressed it... the questions were sincere.

[Jeordin]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. What do you mean how I worded it. Are you making fun of my cluelessness it's not very nice you know. Haha jk. i really don't care everyone calls me a blonde. Especially Jessica and her family they always see me at my worst

[pioneer]

Apr 14, 2009 10:44:14 GMT -5 Jeordin said:

May I ask what exactly ar you saying. I don't get it. Ha that man sounds like my Uncle Iggy, definite redneck. Why would he be reading the torah. and ummm, what rehearsals. What does the parable mean by that, plus what about poor people. some of them stink

jeordin; this is why you are here for. To learn what Y H V H laid down for His people. The Torah is the instructions/first five books of the bible.
There are 613 Laws/instructions for the whole of the children of Israel to shemav'shemar/hear and observe in the erets Israel/land of Israel, in the Temple, on the Moedim/appointed times.
The instructions on how to live and worship Y H V H and to treat your fellow man. The rehersals are the Moedim/appointed times, Yeshua has lived all accept the fall festivals, He will do those when He returns.

This my dear is why it is important that the people who do not know that it is false doctrine that the Torah/Law was nailed to the cross. Yeshua said that heaven and earth shall pass away before one jot or title shall pass from the Law/Torah. (My paraphrase) So the instructions how to live and worship Y H V H are fully intact and important to know.(that is if you have any desire to enter the New Jerusalem by its gates)If outside the gates is fine with you the become a Christian and set down on your salvation and await the end of the age.

Bubba had the idea that he could eat pig and do all the things Christianity says are ok and enter the city by its gates BUT!!! That is not so!
Mt 19:17 And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
Re 12:17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
Re 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

No where is the one who practices lawlessness.

Yeshua never did the things that the churches teach, He is Jewish, did the commandments, went to the synogogue and Temple kept the shabbat, ect. & ect.

You now have a choice follow in the footsteps of Yeshua or follow those who are lawless.

Shalom

[John]

remember pioerr that there are ertain laws in the bible that can be overruled. the sabbath is overruled by cirsumcision, and the kashrut is overruled when dingin with gentiles/helenized jews.

so again, this story is good for an ILLUSTRATION. but only YHVH knows why bubba is eating the pig, and only he can righteously judge him. yaakov makes it clear that as humans it is impossible to righteously judge (yaakov 2) so we should just leave the judging to YHVH.

[pioneer]

Apr 14, 2009 18:44:55 GMT -5 John said:

remember pioerr that there are ertain laws in the bible that can be overruled. the sabbath is overruled by cirsumcision, and the kashrut is overruled when dingin with gentiles/helenized jews.

so again, this story is good for an ILLUSTRATION. but only YHVH knows why bubba is eating the pig, and only he can righteously judge him. yaakov makes it clear that as humans it is impossible to righteously judge (yaakov 2) so we should just leave the judging to YHVH.

My, oh, my, how did I judge Bubba or anyone else?
This was an ILLUSTRATION to show how i understand the bible.
Each of us express our opinions the only one we are capable of expressing, our own. Then we discuss the different opinions and hold them up to scripture, see which one is more accurate. The OJ Lawyer "If it doesn't fit you must aquit."

I have no problem allowing Y H V H or Yeshua do the judging for entry into the City, but for those who express a Godliness, you and I are to correct or try to correct one who is outside of the truth.
I do hope that is your purpose for the Forum. Biblical truth.

Shalom

[John]

welll... you are like me today- rich with sarcasm, lol.

but i was merely making a comment on what you wrote. my B if you understood it as me accusing you of doing it.

[pioneer]

Apr 14, 2009 19:01:19 GMT -5 John said:

welll... you are like me today- rich with sarcasm, lol.

but i was merely making a comment on what you wrote. my B if you understood it as me accusing you of doing it.

LOL, seems you haven't got the drift of Sha'ul, he knows how to dish it out at the most appropriate times. LOL

I grew up in West Texas, sarcasm is the way of life. The Cowboy way. Don't talk much, but be colorful.

No John, I didn't take it anyway, I just reply whats on my mind, the good, the bad and the ugly.

I am human and can be wrong, but the bible is never wrong.

[John]

let man be the liar and God the truth...

no- i think that being sarcastic has a time and a place however. i did not mean to offend Tonga on the 'talmud' thread. i do not regret anything that i said, but i should have got to know who he/she was as a person before i went at her with a very distinctive way of claiming my position.

[pioneer]

Apr 14, 2009 20:38:57 GMT -5 John said:

let man be the liar and God the truth...

no- i think that being sarcastic has a time and a place however. i did not mean to offend Tonga on the 'talmud' thread. i do not regret anything that i said, but i should have got to know who he/she was as a person before i went at her with a very distinctive way of claiming my position.

Seems I missed the thread, I'll go have a look see.
We do that occasionally, say sorry and go on.
CU

[Jeordin]

Apr 14, 2009 18:38:10 GMT -5 pioneer said:

Apr 14, 2009 10:44:14 GMT -5 Jeordin said:

May I ask what exactly ar you saying. I don't get it. Ha that man sounds like my Uncle Iggy, definite redneck. Why would he be reading the torah. and ummm, what rehearsals. What does the parable mean by that, plus what about poor people. some of them stink

jeordin; this is why you are here for. To learn what Y H V H laid down for His people. The Torah is the instructions/first five books of the bible.
There are 613 Laws/instructions for the whole of the children of Israel to shemav'shemar/hear and observe in the erets Israel/land of Israel, in the Temple, on the Moedim/appointed times.
The instructions on how to live and worship Y H V H and to treat your fellow man. The rehersals are the Moedim/appointed times, Yeshua has lived all accept the fall festivals, He will do those when He returns.

This my dear is why it is important that the people who do not know that it is false doctrine that the Torah/Law was nailed to the cross. Yeshua said that heaven and earth shall pass away before one jot or title shall pass from the Law/Torah. (My paraphrase) So the instructions how to live and worship Y H V H are fully intact and important to know.(that is if you have any desire to enter the New Jerusalem by its gates)If outside the gates is fine with you the become a Christian and set down on your salvation and await the end of the age.
Bubba had the idea that he could eat pig and do all the things Christianity says are ok and enter the city by its gates BUT!!! That is not so!Mt 19:17 And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
Re 12:17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
Re 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

No where is the one who practices lawlessness.

Yeshua never did the things that the churches teach, He is Jewish, did the commandments, went to the synogogue and Temple kept the shabbat, ect. & ect.

You now have a choice follow in the footsteps of Yeshua or follow those who are lawless.

Shalom

What did Christians do to you gosh. There are some who actually do intend on going to heaven and who are really true and believe in Yeshua. You can't just cast them all out do to the actions of some!! Btw is there somewhere a list of all the laws that weren't cast out. I mean things like the seperation of women during their menstruation. there are a couple of things that aren't applied in todays society right?

[pioneer]

Apr 15, 2009 10:04:56 GMT -5 Jeordin said:

What did Christians do to you gosh. There are some who actually do intend on going to heaven and who are really true and believe in Yeshua. You can't just cast them all out do to the actions of some!! Btw is there somewhere a list of all the laws that weren't cast out. I mean things like the seperation of women during their menstruation. there are a couple of things that aren't applied in todays society right?

Wht did they do? They LIED TO ME and you and everybody!
I was in my 50's when I found out I had been lied to by the church it's leadership and followers, their bible and the American society which claims to be Christian.
All their tenets are extra-biblical, Christmas, *aster, Sunday worship, not a one of them are from the bible, all are "replacement theology".
Do you love liars? Ro 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.
OBTW, there's no mention of anyone going to heaven in scripture!
Since there is no scripture that says anyone goes to heaven, just how did I cast them out for the actions of others?

The New Heaven and New Earth, scripture tells us, those who have the testamony of Yeshua and keep the commandment are the ones who enter the city by it's gates.
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
It seems to me it is the bible that casts them all out because they believed the lies told to them even when they held in their hands the answers and had the instructions from Sha'ul to prove all things. I hadn't and they don't either. Well finially I did read it for my self and "Lo and behold." the Jesus I had been told about did not exsist!
The Jesus on the pages of the bible was Jewish! He went to the Temple on the sabbath, attended the feasts of the Lord, He did all the Jewish things, NEVER went to a church, never celebtated christmas, never did bunny day, never sunday worship.Then He had the audasity to tell US to follow Him, then Sha'ul says to imitate him as he imitate the Messiah!
They were both Jewish and told you and I to do likewise, so do Christians follow directions? NO! No they do not! And they teach you not to follow Yeshua and Sha'ul, but the Church! Right to the gates and leave you outside with the dogs and those who love to lie and practise lieing. If you don't read it for yourself you thinking like a Christian will settle for outside the gates.

Wasn't that grounds for being angry? Well I am over the anger and want to help those who were leading me into the Outside, to learn the truth and qualify for election and go into the City by it's gates and partake of the Tree of Life

"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book..
20 ¶ He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

May the Lord bless you and give you new eyes to see the truth and turn to him and be healed.
Shalom

[John]

Pioneer- i dont think that everyone here understands your position on the Torah.... maybe you should start a thread on YOUR pesronal revelations of the bible.

i think what people dont understand the most is your concept of life after death. perhaps you can clarify that a bit more.

i undersstand it, but others may not and i think this is why you are almost ALWAYS contradicted by someone in the forum when you post one of your views.

just a suggestion: shalom-

john

[pioneer]

Apr 15, 2009 14:15:57 GMT -5 John said:

Pioneer- i dont think that everyone here understands your position on the Torah.... maybe you should start a thread on YOUR pesronal revelations of the bible.

i think what people dont understand the most is your concept of life after death. perhaps you can clarify that a bit more.

i undersstand it, but others may not and i think this is why you are almost ALWAYS contradicted by someone in the forum when you post one of your views.

just a suggestion: shalom-

john

Let's turn it around. I wont ALWAYS contradict a biblical view. But I will AWAYS contradict an ADDERS view of things biblical.

It doesn't take a 'Rocket Sceintist' to know my view of the afterlife, it is just as is explained in scripture, the New Earth coming down out of heaven, HUGE, beyond comprehension of a human mind, 10 And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed;
13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he who talked to me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city and its gates and walls.
16 The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its breadth; and he measured the city with his rod, twelve thousand stadia; its length and breadth and height are equal.
17 He also measured its wall, a hundred and forty-four cubits by a man’s measure, that is, an angel’s.
18 The wall was built of jasper, while the city was pure gold, clear as glass.
19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with every jewel; the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, transparent as glass.
22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
24 By its light shall the nations walk; and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it,
25 and its gates shall never be shut by day—and there shall be no night there;
26 they shall bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
1 ¶ Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 There shall no more be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall worship him;
4 they shall see his face, and his name shall be on their foreheads.
5 And night shall be no more; they need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they shall reign for ever and ever.


Someone wish to contradict the bible? Want to say go to heaven?
Then that one wants to be seperated from God and the Lamb, because THEY are the Temple in the New Jerusalem on the New Earth. Amen and amen

Shalom u'vrachot

[John]

i am not saying YOU contradict the bible (although i do think you do in some points of interpretation) but that you are CONTRADICTED by other members. i think this results from not understanding your position on the Torah.

[pioneer]

Apr 15, 2009 15:04:21 GMT -5 John said:

i am not saying YOU contradict the bible (although i do think you do in some points of interpretation) but that you are CONTRADICTED by other members. i think this results from not understanding your position on the Torah.

NLB for instance?

You must be kidding!

Who else contradicts my posts? IIW, Jonatan, you, Jeordin, we all basically are on the same book.
Torah, Moedim, Shabbat, redemption, yeshua/salvation. Bible

Disagree with dogmas, Christmas, %aster, Sunday worship,going to heaven and hell and immortal soul. Non-biblical

And you for instance, have had no 'Aha' moments?

If we beginners do not listen to the Sages, we make a patchwork of a good, Holy word of God, a one piece tallit. LOL Can't you see a cut up and sewn back together again Torah?

Is this a round about way of saying for a Cowboy, you talk too much? If it is and you really want to be a Christian. Just come out and say it!