666 Theory

[Jeordin]

Could we continue that conversation under Revelations? i didn't really know where to put this. I read Revelation to learn about it so yeah. oh, and are there any other books I csan read to get REAL detailed descriptions of the Antichrist, HaSatan( they're different right?!!), and the history of the "Devil". Ummm, enter absolutely anything under this thread that relates the subject even if it only relates to one little verse. i want replies, I want to learn more than anyhting in the world. I feel like it would strengthen my relationship with Y H V H if i actually knew a thing or two elohel

[Jonatan]

Well, the strange thing with Antichrist - as the Beast in Revelation is still the thing I am studying and finding some conclusions.
As you mentioned HaSatan and Antichrist are not the same one person - right! You're right! If we want to explain it somehow, Antichrist is to HaSatan what is Yeshua to YHVH his Father.
It is thought by many Biblical teachers and it gives sense that Antichrist is the son of Satan. In Revelation HaSatan is displayed as the Dragon, Antichrist as the Beast and Spirit of Antichrist - the second Beast in command (Rev.13, from verse 11) - as the False Prophet.
In Revelation 12 we can read that Dragon is the Satan currently dwelling in heaven with those revolted angels he lured to his side (fallen angels). Also we read that the Serpent and Dragon are his synonymes (Strange thing, but interesting to study - looks as though the serpent was given wings and became dragon), and that he deceive all the world (verse 9) and that he will be cast down to the earth and the time true christians/messianics are to be raptured up (as a swap with him). Then, the Dragon gives his great power and authority and throne to Antichrist to perform 'great (deceiving people into condemnation) miracles', terrorizing the world. But Lord will let him rule - because it will be the ungodly people who shall choose him to rule above them - so Lord will send the punishment to them, because they wanted it - they did not love the truth - so Lord will let Antichrist do everything what he has to do. (2.Thessalonians Chapter 2)
About the Mark of the Beast and the number 666 - which are NOT THREE SIXES on right hands or heads, but Six-hundred threescore and six - SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SIX, which is the number of the Antichrist's or False Prophet's name - I need to know to what Beast the number refers to.

[Never Looking Back]

Apr 10, 2009 6:27:43 GMT -5 Jonatan said:

Well, the strange thing with Antichrist - as the Beast in Revelation is still the thing I am studying and finding some conclusions.
As you mentioned HaSatan and Antichrist are not the same one person - right! You're right! If we want to explain it somehow, Antichrist is to HaSatan what is Yeshua to YHVH his Father.
It is thought by many Biblical teachers and it gives sense that Antichrist is the son of Satan. In Revelation HaSatan is displayed as the Dragon, Antichrist as the Beast and Spirit of Antichrist - the second Beast in command (Rev.13, from verse 11) - as the False Prophet.
In Revelation 12 we can read that Dragon is the Satan currently dwelling in heaven with those revolted angels he lured to his side (fallen angels). Also we read that the Serpent and Dragon are his synonymes (Strange thing, but interesting to study - looks as though the serpent was given wings and became dragon), and that he deceive all the world (verse 9) and that he will be cast down to the earth and the time true christians/messianics are to be raptured up (as a swap with him). Then, the Dragon gives his great power and authority and throne to Antichrist to perform 'great (deceiving people into condemnation) miracles', terrorizing the world. But Lord will let him rule - because it will be the ungodly people who shall choose him to rule above them - so Lord will send the punishment to them, because they wanted it - they did not love the truth - so Lord will let Antichrist do everything what he has to do. (2.Thessalonians Chapter 2)
About the Mark of the Beast and the number 666 - which are NOT THREE SIXES on right hands or heads, but Six-hundred threescore and six - SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SIX, which is the number of the Antichrist's or False Prophet's name - I need to know to what Beast the number refers to.

While I do not deny that the false prophet of the Anti-Christ will be able to perform many false signs and wonders,, we need to be careful that we do not limit counterfeit signs and wonders to only the false prophet of the Anti-Christ.

I do not think that 2 Thessalonians 2 is only referring to the false prophet. Rather, I think that these false signs and wonders are going to occur continually, getting worse as we get closer to the end. The reason I say this is because all forms of occult magic and and power are counterfeit signs and wonders.

Regardless of whether or not there is a pre-trib rapture, my view is that things are going to get steadily worse as we get closer to the end. Counterfeit signs and wonders do not start during the tribulation. Also there is going to be a great falling away of what is known as the church, or what is called the church. Things will get so bad that many will fall away from the faith, and many parts of the church will become apostate.

In many ways this is already happening within many circles within the church. There is the prosperity gospel that is being preached to millions of people. People love it because it tickles their ears and gives them what they want to hear. On the other hand many mainline churches are becoming increasingly liberal in their theology. This has even come to the point of some denying that Yeshua even existed!! Yet they call what they teach "Christian theology."

Fortunately there will always be believers who will stand firm in the truth and will not be swayed by these false teachings. However, the state that the church is in right now is not good. One of two things is going to have to happen:

1.) revival -- a true revival -- people repenting and turning back to God

2.) things will continue to get worse, and then the tribulation happens and Yeshua returns.

#2 is going to have to happen SOMETIME.


Anyone here heard of Todd Bentley? If not, go look him up on you tube. He kicked people in the face, banged crippled people's legs up and down like a baseball bat, kicked a guy with stage 4 colon cancer in the stomach, etc. And guess what, he claimed that God told him to do so in order to heal people!!!!!!

You know what else? He would heal people that would come to his "revival" last year. He also taught people how to worship angels and told them that they needed to depend on angels. He did not preach Yeshua or the gospel. Instead he talked about all these weird spiritual experiences he had had with angels. Within the movement that Todd is in, there are things happening -- such as gold dust showing up, gems appearing, angel feathers falling down, etc. This stuff is happening. But you know what? People are loving it. They are getting so caught up in these signs and wonders that they do not care what sort of teaching Todd Bentley and those like him bring. I truly believe that a lot of what is happening in this movement is counterfeit signs and wonders that God is allowing to happen because people refuse to look to Him.


Todd Bentley, John Crowder, Patricia King, Bob Jones (not the Bob Jones who started the Bob Jones University. This is a different Bob Jones. This Bob Jones had women come into his office and undress in front of him so that "they could get naked before the Lord and hear a word from Him.") and others like them make me sick. They are not preaching sound doctrine.

The prosperity teachers make me sick because they are teaching people to think of God like a vending machine.


So, the point of what I'm trying to say is that counterfeit signs and wonders are already here.

These sorts of teachers will only increase in number, and there will be more and more false people doing things with counterfeit signs and wonders. By the time the false prophet of the Anti-Christ comes, things will be really bad. It sounds like the false prophet will be able to do a lot of really amazing things. He will even be able to call fire down from heaven and also be able to make an idol of the Anti-Christ speak.

A lot of people have been misled by Todd Bentley. People from all the way around the world flocked to his "revival." Many, many people were being deceived, and they didn't even see the deception. Perhaps is a sort of glimpse of how the false prophet will be able to sway people.

Check these people out, if you want to know what false teachers/prophets are like:

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=todd+bentley&aq=0&oq=Todd+Bentl

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Dutch+Sheets&aq=f

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzWTbeiPLs

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Patricia+King&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Patricia+King+ekstasis+worship

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Bob+Jones&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=James+Goll&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=James+Goll+angels&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Stacey+Campbell&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Sharnael+Wolverton&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Graham+Cooke&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Steve+Schultz&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=John+Crowder&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=c+peter+wagner&aq=0&oq=C+Peter+

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Paul+Cain&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=rod+parsley&aq=0&oq=Rod+Parsl

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Benny+Hinn&aq=f

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=kenneth+copeland&aq=0&oq=Kenneth+C

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=creflo+dollar&aq=0&oq=Creflo+D

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=td+jakes&aq=0&oq=TD

www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=joel+osteen&aq=0&oq=Joel+Ostee

[Jeordin]

Apr 10, 2009 10:31:40 GMT -5 Never Looking Back said:

Apr 10, 2009 6:27:43 GMT -5 Jonatan said:

Well, the strange thing with Antichrist - as the Beast in Revelation is still the thing I am studying and finding some conclusions.
As you mentioned HaSatan and Antichrist are not the same one person - right! You're right! If we want to explain it somehow, Antichrist is to HaSatan what is Yeshua to YHVH his Father.
It is thought by many Biblical teachers and it gives sense that Antichrist is the son of Satan. In Revelation HaSatan is displayed as the Dragon, Antichrist as the Beast and Spirit of Antichrist - the second Beast in command (Rev.13, from verse 11) - as the False Prophet.
In Revelation 12 we can read that Dragon is the Satan currently dwelling in heaven with those revolted angels he lured to his side (fallen angels). Also we read that the Serpent and Dragon are his synonymes (Strange thing, but interesting to study - looks as though the serpent was given wings and became dragon), and that he deceive all the world (verse 9) and that he will be cast down to the earth and the time true christians/messianics are to be raptured up (as a swap with him). Then, the Dragon gives his great power and authority and throne to Antichrist to perform 'great (deceiving people into condemnation) miracles', terrorizing the world. But Lord will let him rule - because it will be the ungodly people who shall choose him to rule above them - so Lord will send the punishment to them, because they wanted it - they did not love the truth - so Lord will let Antichrist do everything what he has to do. (2.Thessalonians Chapter 2)
About the Mark of the Beast and the number 666 - which are NOT THREE SIXES on right hands or heads, but Six-hundred threescore and six - SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SIX, which is the number of the Antichrist's or False Prophet's name - I need to know to what Beast the number refers to.

While I do not deny that the false prophet of the Anti-Christ will be able to perform many false signs and wonders,, we need to be careful that we do not limit counterfeit signs and wonders to only the false prophet of the Anti-Christ.

I do not think that 2 Thessalonians 2 is only referring to the false prophet. Rather, I think that these false signs and wonders are going to occur continually, getting worse as we get closer to the end. The reason I say this is because all forms of occult magic and and power are counterfeit signs and wonders.

Regardless of whether or not there is a pre-trib rapture, my view is that things are going to get steadily worse as we get closer to the end. Counterfeit signs and wonders do not start during the tribulation. Also there is going to be a great falling away of what is known as the church, or what is called the church. Things will get so bad that many will fall away from the faith, and many parts of the church will become apostate.

In many ways this is already happening within many circles within the church. There is the prosperity gospel that is being preached to millions of people. People love it because it tickles their ears and gives them what they want to hear. On the other hand many mainline churches are becoming increasingly liberal in their theology. This has even come to the point of some denying that Yeshua even existed!! Yet they call what they teach "Christian theology."

Fortunately there will always be believers who will stand firm in the truth and will not be swayed by these false teachings. However, the state that the church is in right now is not good. One of two things is going to have to happen:

1.) revival -- a true revival -- people repenting and turning back to God

2.) things will continue to get worse, and then the tribulation happens and Yeshua returns.

#2 is going to have to happen SOMETIME.


Anyone here heard of Todd Bentley? If not, go look him up on you tube. He kicked people in the face, banged crippled people's legs up and down like a baseball bat, kicked a guy with stage 4 colon cancer in the stomach, etc. And guess what, he claimed that God told him to do so in order to heal people!!!!!!

You know what else? He would heal people that would come to his "revival" last year. He also taught people how to worship angels and told them that they needed to depend on angels. He did not preach Yeshua or the gospel. Instead he talked about all these weird spiritual experiences he had had with angels. Within the movement that Todd is in, there are things happening -- such as gold dust showing up, gems appearing, angel feathers falling down, etc. This stuff is happening. But you know what? People are loving it. They are getting so caught up in these signs and wonders that they do not care what sort of teaching Todd Bentley and those like him bring. I truly believe that a lot of what is happening in this movement is counterfeit signs and wonders that God is allowing to happen because people refuse to look to Him.


Todd Bentley, John Crowder, Patricia King, Bob Jones (not the Bob Jones who started the Bob Jones University. This is a different Bob Jones. This Bob Jones had women come into his office and undress in front of him so that "they could get naked before the Lord and hear a word from Him.") and others like them make me sick. They are not preaching sound doctrine.

The prosperity teachers make me sick because they are teaching people to think of God like a vending machine.


So, the point of what I'm trying to say is that counterfeit signs and wonders are already here.

These sorts of teachers will only increase in number, and there will be more and more false people doing things with counterfeit signs and wonders. By the time the false prophet of the Anti-Christ comes, things will be really bad. It sounds like the false prophet will be able to do a lot of really amazing things. He will even be able to call fire down from heaven and also be able to make an idol of the Anti-Christ speak.

A lot of people have been misled by Todd Bentley. People from all the way around the world flocked to his "revival." Many, many people were being deceived, and they didn't even see the deception. Perhaps is a sort of glimpse of how the false prophet will be able to sway people.

Yeah, a while ago my friend Ben let me in on a little "doctrine" they learned. He told me that we shouldn't say the Lord's Prayer. If we kept saying "God's will be done" then the Earth will be destroyed. Which I guess his church believes is Y H V H's will. He said that God basically hates us and Jesus is the only thing keeping him from putting an end to us. That really ticked me off, because it seems to me they're building Yeshua up and tearing G-d down. That was not why he was put here, or was it. I don't know much about it.

Back to the 666 theory. Well, I'll reply later I need to reread Revelations.

[John]

the false prophet is another name for the antichrist himself... the second beast is the antichrist, and the first is the personification of his kingdom.

[Never Looking Back]

Apr 11, 2009 9:23:51 GMT -5 Jeordin said:

Yeah, a while ago my friend Ben let me in on a little "doctrine" they learned. He told me that we shouldn't say the Lord's Prayer. If we kept saying "God's will be done" then the Earth will be destroyed. Which I guess his church believes is Y H V H's will. He said that God basically hates us and Jesus is the only thing keeping him from putting an end to us. That really ticked me off, because it seems to me they're building Yeshua up and tearing G-d down. That was not why he was put here, or was it. I don't know much about it.

Back to the 666 theory. Well, I'll reply later I need to reread Revelations.

What? Someone said that we shouldn't pray the Lord's prayer because God would destroy the world if we did pray it!!!?

Where do people get this stuff from?

Yeshua was asked how people should pray, and Yeshua taught that prayer as a model for how people should pray. Throughout the Bible, people are asked to surrender to God's will and try to follow it.

Eventually the world will be destroyed, but that is not God's ultimate plan. The Bible constantly points us to God's promises, and to Himself. It points to reconciliation. God's will is not directed towards destruction, but rather redemption.

What church does he go to? Do you know the name of it? Is it non-denominational? Or is it part of a specific denomination.

The church really needs prayer!

How can a pastor teach that God hates humanity when the Bible points in the opposite direction? There are so many verses that talk about God's deep love for us.

It's almost as if the church your friend attends is buying into gnosticism -- claiming that the Father is an evil God while Yeshua is a good God, and that Yeshua is to save the world from the Father. Of course this viewpoint would be non-Trinitarian in that it speaks of two different gods (a good one and a bad one).

[John]

Ben goes to a baptist church. he often said things that he thought were really cool that he heard from somewhere. alot of times they were wrong and i had to tell him that although i was proud to see that other people in the school were paying attention to the bible.

[Jonatan]

NBL, I can agree with most of that you posted. I hate charismatic lawlessness! Todd Bentley was nothing more than a false prophet. If someone call self a servant of God and besides of it break His commandments, these miracles are from Satan! Lord cannot put His glory on something that is unclean.
Concerning Bentley - his tatoos on his body - something what the Scripture forbids (See Leviticus 19:28), many true servants of God could perceive something wasn't kosher on him.

I DID NOT SAY ONLY False prophet will perform these miracles. The both two can. IMO, it will be something like Satan's substitution for the Two olives - to deceive people. And those people who do not know the truth, may easily believe them. False prophet's called fire from heaven will be some satanic imitation of Elijah, the Lord's prophet.

And yeah - you're right, times are going worse and apocalypse at hand. However, we can't say Revelation has started - I mean from opening 7 seals in the sealed book, then trumpets and vials of God's judgement. This could not happen yet! I occupy myself a lot with eschatology - this is quite my domain to say what could not yet happen. I guess and hope I agree with you. Cos I hate when someone don't take Word of God in truth, literally - it's sign of liberalism, lack of faith that what Lord said once in His Word, He'll accomplish - AND IT SHALL NOT BE A PARABLE HOW HE DOES IT. If stars are to fall - stars from the space ARE TO FALL. If the oceans - 1/3 part of all water (in oceans) are to become blood, IT'S NOT PARABLE!!! Please hear these words! Unbelieving people and those who are enslaved or become enslaved by sin do not understand the Word of God, because fallen angelic and demonic beings bind their understanding. This is fact which also Isaiah says about in CHAPTER 6. Having ears, not hearing, having eyes, not seeing and not understanding by heart.
Ezekiel complain to Lord in the end of Chapter 20: "Oh Lord! They say to me whether you do not speak only parables!"

But he/she who has ears to hear, let him/her hear...

Apr 11, 2009 22:40:54 GMT -5 John said:

the false prophet is another name for the antichrist himself... the second beast is the antichrist, and the first is the personification of his kingdom.

Maybe yes, and maybe no. I know Revelation mentions also the kingdom as "the Beast", but both the Beast and the False prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire. I would not say that Antichrist will be only one - the False prophet, but also the King called the Beast. Know that his False Prophet, who is in second in command, will not be king. Prophet is not a king, while the Beast can be - the same who removes sacrifice from the temple in order to establish his own idol.

Apr 13, 2009 19:50:37 GMT -5 Never Looking Back said:

How can a pastor teach that God hates humanity when the Bible points in the opposite direction? There are so many verses that talk about God's deep love for us.

It's almost as if the church your friend attends is buying into gnosticism -- claiming that the Father is an evil God while Yeshua is a good God, and that Yeshua is to save the world from the Father. Of course this viewpoint would be non-Trinitarian in that it speaks of two different gods (a good one and a bad one).

That one who is so insolent to teach that false doctrine about Father being evil God, is absolutely out of trail. That resemble Markion's heresy in post-apostolic times somewhere till 1st to 2nd century. Markion was a gnostic who treated YHVH, God of Yisrael, the Father to be some kind of evil god, "Jewish demon" because of His desiring of bloody sacrifices of animals. On the other hands, he treated Yeshua to be true merciful God instead of Father - oh, D*MN REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!!! It's the Father Himself who loves the world that He sent His only Son so that everyone believing in Him may not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
Shalom - and back to number 666 - and mark of the Beast. I made some observations, but sorry that I'm lazy to post here so much now. Some other time.
Lehitra'ot achim!

[Jeordin]

I know NLB, Ben and I argued almost all the way to the library until he tripped me and I started laughing and forgot about it. Either that or I walked off, we always do that so I can't remember. John he doesn't pay attention to things in the bible, he pays attention to what his youth pastor says the bible means. well, verses in the bible. jonotan I don't mean to ignore your post. I usually learn stuff from yours so I have no experience on what your saying. ummm wow language lol just kidding.

[John]

jonotan--- you edited at 3:50 AM!! wow you are on the computer for a long time, lol...


anyway... there is another theory for what the first beast may be. In jewish traditions there are two messiahs... a mashiach ben David and a Mashiach ben Yosef. the mashiach ben Yosef is to prepare for ben David politically and militarily.

my other possible interpretation is that the first beast is a kingdom set up by a person who the jews will interpret as ben Yosef. so the first beast represent both a kingdom and a person (not very uncommon in biblical symbology)... in jewish tradition, the mashiach ben Yosef will die and be the first to be ressurected by ben David. so the head of the beast (either a kingdom, or representing the dying ben Yosef himself) will die and rise again when the second beast- the false prophet and antichrist- comes. The jews will interpret him to be theref ben David.

also, it is beleived by catholic theologians that the false prophet wil be a falsely elected pope. this means that the antichrist can bring in christians, muslims, and jews into his deceit all in one swipe. the christians will interpret him as the second coming of Mashich, the muslims wil linterpret him as their mahdi, and the jews wil interpret him as ben david.

and eliyahu will also have come to build the temple with mosheh, so the prophecty of eliyahu will have come true strngthening the idea of the jews that the antichrist is ben David.

his post is kindof scatter minded, so i will gladly repeat anything that anyone has questions on-- just ask specifically if you can.

amain- john

[Jonatan]

Apr 14, 2009 12:22:59 GMT -5 John said:

jonotan--- you edited at 3:50 AM!! wow you are on the computer for a long time, lol...

No, I just ignore the setting of the time location for Europe and between America. I don't know how to set it correctly, but maybe I should. Do not think I am at computer at the night. Usually, I post either around the lunch (11:00-14:00) or in afternoon. Such as now - 17:51. That is the time I posted this post (so that you may have my time orientation).

Apr 14, 2009 12:22:59 GMT -5 John said:

anyway... there is another theory for what the first beast may be. In jewish traditions there are two messiahs... a mashiach ben David and a Mashiach ben Yosef. the mashiach ben Yosef is to prepare for ben David politically and militarily.

my other possible interpretation is that the first beast is a kingdom set up by a person who the jews will interpret as ben Yosef. so the first beast represent both a kingdom and a person (not very uncommon in biblical symbology)... in jewish tradition, the mashiach ben Yosef will die and be the first to be ressurected by ben David. so the head of the beast (either a kingdom, or representing the dying ben Yosef himself) will die and rise again when the second beast- the false prophet and antichrist- comes. The jews will interpret him to be theref ben David.

also, it is beleived by catholic theologians that the false prophet wil be a falsely elected pope. this means that the antichrist can bring in christians, muslims, and jews into his deceit all in one swipe. the christians will interpret him as the second coming of Mashich, the muslims wil linterpret him as their mahdi, and the jews wil interpret him as ben david.

and eliyahu will also have come to build the temple with mosheh, so the prophecty of eliyahu will have come true strngthening the idea of the jews that the antichrist is ben David.

his post is kindof scatter minded, so i will gladly repeat anything that anyone has questions on-- just ask specifically if you can.

amain- john

Very interesting. I must say I also believe such a thing as you do, John. Interesting about the "two false Mashiachs". If I only knew more of the Jewish traditions - it helps a lot. but good that I have you for it.
Shalom

[John]

i suggest reading alot... most information about judaism comes orally and through books. books are supposed to be a jews signature, as rabbis laughingly say. even the book 'judaism for dummis' or 'and idiots guide to judaism' has some good information on the religion, which i did not suspect.

[Jonatan]

back to theme - theme is the number 666. What do you think? Will SOD be needed to calculate the name? Well, you know - I have not such good knowledge about Jewish hermeneutics, traditions and other possibilities - for now, I only know the basic gematria - adding the numbers of each hebrew character in the word to gain the result(in scheme right-to-left: letter number+letter number+letter number+letter number+letter number = result number). Is this Kabbalah? Or it's non-kabbalistic to calculate anything? Are there any other possibilities to count hebrew, greek, arabic or latin or whatever?

[John]

gematria is a tool kabbalists use, but not a tool in itself.

i personally dont think the meaning of 666 has been revealed yet, but that it will be through the RHK. so i dont know what 666 means- YHVH has not revealed that to me by his spirit

[Jonatan]

What's RHK?

[John]

Ruach HaKodesh= the spirit that is holy (lit, spirit the holy).

[Jonatan]

I know Ruach HaKodesh - but... lol, I never imagined such shortcut to be something simple as we all christians/messianics know.

I must admit - that's my two ₪₪

Shin - lamed - vav - mem (final) = Sha'lom !

[John]

yeah- i just do it from habit now, bcecause i keep theological notebooks, so i have to write in shorthand a lot of times.

shalom- john

[Jonatan]

Now, I should have more time to bring up here the observations about the 666, the Mark of the Beast. If we study eschatology and these things, it's grave necessary to look into originals, to other biblical parts and referencies. If we have more than 1 witness, it's great. We may build something from it. And if we haven't, maybe some extra-biblical information will be useful, but it should fit the scripture.

Concerning Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Let us see into original, Textus Receptus. There is some extra information and we need extra informations which give sense together.

Rev13:18 ωδε η σοφια εστιν ο εχων τον νουν ψηφισατω τον αριθμον του θηριου αριθμος γαρ ανθρωπου εστιν και ο αριθμος αυτου χξς

/hóde é sophia ho echón ton nún pséfisató ton arithmon tú thériú arithmos gar anthrópú estin kay ho arithmos autú khee-xee-stigma/

note.: Anochria help me, please, if there are any bugs in my greek grammar, I'm only a beginner in greek. I expect you have great greek knowledge (it's not just by the chance your congregation is called Aletheia, is it?)

χξς is the very strange expression you can find if you look into original. It's however, truth that you don't have to look at every greek text. The new ones (critical texts) have it changed into modern εξακοσιοι εξηκοντα εξ /hexakosioi hexakonta hex/, that is literally, six hundred, sixty, six.

Pity is that the new, more modern greek texts erase the extra information from it. If you want to look into more original greek texts, look rather into Stephanus New Testament (from year) 1550, or into newer version, reconstruction of Textus Receptus by Scrivener (year 1894). There exist many others such as 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament, but these, as I have seen have omitted khee-xee-stigma in Rev.13:18.

Now back to the
χξς /khee-xee-stigma/, the three letters of greek alphabet, where the first - χ /chi/ has numerical value 600, ξ /xi/ has value 60, and ς /stigma/, which is obsolete greek letter has value 6. When you calculate it, you get 666.

Strong's greek lexicon shows this definition on it:
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (stigma as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60, and 6; 666 as a numeral -- six hundred threescore and six.

index 22nd in Strong's lexicon: αγαμος /agamos/ From a (as a negative particle) and gamos; unmarried -- unmarried.

index 14th in Strong's lexicon: αγαθοεργεω /agathoergeó/ From agathos and ergon; to work good -- do good.

index 4742th in Strong's lexicon: στιγμα /stigma/ a mark pricked in or branded upon the body. To ancient oriental usage, slaves and soldiers bore the name or the stamp of their master or commander branded or pricked (cut) into their bodies to indicate what master or general they belonged to, and there were even some devotee's who stamped themselves in this way with the token of their gods

That is extra information as I think so: Antichrist the Beast shall have three atributes according to the number - it's very interesting why just number 666? It must have some sense. Therefore I think that these are three atributes Antichrist will have:

1. Agamos - he will be in celibacy, even he shall magnify not only above every god and the Only One God, but he will detest women, he shall maagnify over beauty of women (Daniel 11:37)

2. Agathoergeo - he will work 'good' - now I don't now how good, whether he will try to do good deeds so that people may like him or work 'effectively' no matter what he will work on. That resemble more prophecies told about him that he will be very and gravely astonishing for all mankind, because he shall not do it by his own power, but by supernatural. That gives sense that Satan and His fallen angels thrown on the earth will be in his command. Daniel supports it by his vision about the great horn of the goat, broken into 4 horns - the Little horn that comes out from the four horns.(Read Daniel 8:9-14 and then the interpretation by the angel - Daniel 8:22-26)

3. Stigma - That should indicate that Antichrist the Beast is marked by some kind of mark which is stigma. It must have some spiritual sense. Slave of what - sin? Satan? of eternal condemnation? or just marked by God as renegade and outsider forever as the criminals were branded with searing iron on their bodies?
This searching is still unfinished.
Everyone who has a gift for such kind of searching, search and find and let Adonai guide you.

Shalom

[John]

that is very intersting- sod level right there. i am afriad that right now, i am in the 'remez' stage, possibly touching on drash. but from what i understand this goes deep.

shalom- got to eat-

john