Angels that Are Named

[anochria]

elsewhere john wrote:

i personally think that b'nai elohim are resurrected men of the first world that are to minister to this world, while there are three classes of angels that are not men (seraphim, cherubim, ofanim) who ministered to the b'nai elohim before their resurrection.we are to be resurrected in the future and become ministers or "bodily sons of God" who minister to the next world- olam haba.

angels that are named like michael gabriel, metatron, etc, are not really angels but different titles of Yeshua. angels are just used as literary devices to represent that attribute of Yeshua. for example, michael (also called melchiaedek in some literature) is not a literal angel, but represents Jesus as the high priest. metatron ybolizes Yeshua as mdiator, owner of the temple, etc. gabriel represents Yeshua as the one who gives life (the shofar at the ressurection)... etc. this is why named angels are equated with different sefirot (each sefirot represents aspects of YHVH, which the angels represent in role... ie, tiferet is the mediator of the upper and lower sefirot, and the angel equated with that is metatron, Yeshua as mediator.)

there are 7 named angels called archangels who are not really angels either. in is, the spirit of God is said to have 7 pairs of attributes. in revelation, Yochanon calls these "the seven spirits of God" showing that each of the seven archangels represent each of those attribute of the Ruach.

I really didn't understand this first paragraph. What does "resurrected men of the first world" mean? Which first world?

As to the other paragraphs, I'm in agreement except I'm not so sure that Gabriel could be considered a theophany or christophany.

[John]

the first world: there have been and will be at least three creations. not the place to discuss it. but to put it simply, the last world has men who were resurrected and ministered to us as b'nai elohim. (the resurrected men were ministered to by cheruv seraph and ofan). that is stimply what is meant, although the docrine is one that takes a lot of verses to convince others. i will start one later.

why not about gabriel? the only obstacle i see to that would be luke writing Gabriel anouncing the birth of Yeshua, but we must remember that Luke uses this as a literary technique to convey ideas and such. he used tradition. plus, the birth of Jesus largely reflects the pagan accounts that Luke was familiar with. this was because he was trying to show his greek friends through their culture that he was the son of God. well, one charateristic of the greek myths is angelic visitation. so i really dont see this as a very big obstacle when viewed in historical and literary context. but there are probably other obstacles.

shalom

[Jonatan]

Maybe I would search theophany and even all ministries of angels by the names given to them.

Mi-Ka-El = Who's like the God (who can compare to Him)?
Gabri-El = God (is) my strength (or might) = maybe that would be the strong angel in Revelation setting Satan into prison to Abyss and sealing it

I know there are other angels even in Enoch saying they represent death, ressurection, turning to God and healing and so on...

Rapha-El = God heals? I know this must say about healing

now, who is the angel administrating ressurection?

Phanuel? Asrael? Suryal?... more names...

[John]

metatron, uriel, raphael, gabriel, michael, zadkiel, etc.

the only problem with names of angels is this: most angels are named outside of the bible. the only two named are gabriel and michael within the bible; the only other two we can be fairly certain DO exist are raphael and uriel... as well as sammael, the death angel who administers God's judgement.

shalom

[Jonatan]

...and the others are just made up?

[John]

those who are not named are:

seraphim, chruvim, ofanim, or bnei elohim (resurrected men)...

but i need to correct my theology on angels with names: angels can be seraphima nd still have names. if this is the case than the angel is a living remezim of a mystery of YHVH.

but thinfgs like the "7archangels" are allegories.

shalom

if i am confusing anyone, i can quote my notebook...