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Post by John on Aug 8, 2009 16:01:15 GMT -5
soon i will add to the bottom of this thread starter the seven rules of hillel... be ready for them. they are very interseting. and the most common hermeneutical rhetoric used in the bible is kal v'chomer- a hermeneutical principle laid down by hilllel.
later, some hermeneutical principles were banned because they were being misused.
shalom- john
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Post by itiswritten on Aug 8, 2009 17:33:02 GMT -5
That sounds very interesting John. It would be great also to compare and contrast the schools of Shimai and Hillel.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2009 19:41:39 GMT -5
that would be very interseting. i only know of the hermeneutical principles of hillel, and perhaps he is the only one of the two to devise an organized syystem, but shammai had to have had at least unwritten hermeneutical principles that he used. i will see if he had any written ones.
good suggestion.
shalom- john
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Post by Jonatan on Aug 10, 2009 7:30:51 GMT -5
Shamai and Hillel? Great! The two scribe-leaders, as I have read - in intertestamental period and possibly during life of Yeshua on Earth.
If I remember well, Shamai was more Kannai-like (zealous for Torah as Zelotes were), while Hillel was much more liberal.
I'd like to ask you what's "kal v'chomer". - or can you spell it in Hebrew so that i can decode it? (QAL = Qof + Lamed? - as "light" in weight, and CHOMER??? Chet-Vav-Mem-Resh?)
Light and ... ?
Well, that'll be interesting. I am looking forward to see the hermeneutical system.
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Post by John on Aug 10, 2009 16:39:31 GMT -5
kal v'chomer means "light and heavy"... a light and heavy argument such as : if god is at a sparrows funeral HOW MUCH MORE would he be at yours? you are worth more than many sparrows.
shammai believed that jews shouldnt have any contact with romans. hillel was much more liberal, and Yehsua agreed with him more often then not. shammai was very stricct, often unloving.
a famous parable says that a gentile went to shammai asking for the sum of the law. so shammai got angry and said: ''the law cant be reduced to one sentence!. and he chased him off with a stick. ''
but then he went to hillel and hillel answereed: ''what you dont want done to you, dont do to your neighbor. this is the whole of the law; the rest is commentary. now go do it!.'' [this resembles Yeshua's 'golden rule'].
as a result, the gentile became a ger toshav (proselyte).
hopefully, this will help eplain the dif btwn the 2.
shalom- john
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Post by John on Sept 12, 2009 17:48:23 GMT -5
i added some new stuff on the word origin of "pardes." check it out.
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